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Post by Ed on Jun 25, 2020 10:43:42 GMT -6
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DOGS CAN'T SCRATCH MINUTES Hi, William I remember you as vrajavilasadasa from this forum, also as Bill Morgan and Probability, I think. I hope you’re doing well, back then you posted in a similar manner and for a little bit I just thought you were some sort of bot, perhaps I was wrong, I apologize if that’s the case. Anyway, wish you all the best, sadly I still can’t understand your posts either.
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Post by Ed on Jun 25, 2020 13:44:21 GMT -6
i see , i was amazed . clear , much becoming posted behind the scenes drama . but knowing the demarcations from georgia us . The analogue highs&lows , extending once you hear a butterfly in hawaii . i would had associated the name ed within a instance with advaita . shots of his mother in a rexturant at the northen coast in europe . a rendering . You weren’t that far off, I did register here as Eka. Sorry for my rude assumption earlier, didn’t mean anything by it, just an honest mistake.
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Post by Nityānanda dāsa on Jun 25, 2020 15:58:02 GMT -6
i will personally back away slowly , not to rill feathers . for your information . presenting formula grecian within the bounderies outside temple grounds problems may seem like ajoke . Onward only invited . Funny - looking i never impressionable chomping on popcorn . Radhe Radhe! I'm pretty sure by this point that 'pheasant' is a bot and not a real person. So I think we need to delete that account and delete all posts on this thread in response to 'pheasant'. What do you say?
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Post by Nitaidas on Jun 26, 2020 9:58:26 GMT -6
i will personally back away slowly , not to rill feathers . for your information . presenting formula grecian within the bounderies outside temple grounds problems may seem like ajoke . Onward only invited . Funny - looking i never impressionable chomping on popcorn . Radhe Radhe! I'm pretty sure by this point that 'pheasant' is a bot and not a real person. So I think we need to delete that account and delete all posts on this thread in response to 'pheasant'. What do you say? I think this is a legitimate person who was once a member of this board. He was a little off then, but now he seems way off. I could not make much sense out of what he was saying. Back in the day, he was more coherent. Now he seems to have lost even that. His name was Vrajavilasadasa. He lived in Iowa and maintained motorcycles. I feel bad about excluding him, but like I say he seems to speak only gibberish now, with a few glimmers of some purpose or meaning. He's reapplied for membership. What do the members of this forum think I should do? Let him in or not?
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Post by Nitaidas on Jun 26, 2020 11:01:06 GMT -6
Nitai das I can't help it but to correct you. That's not the reason why I stopped actively participating here. Nothing to do with what you said about what I thought about a devotee family. Anyway, I have NO issues about people receiving support if they are in need of financial support from the govt. I also had episodes in my life when I was also on the dole. But let's face it, there are some people who think they are doing kirtan because they are not working. I think if a devotee has the time to play karmi computer games and watch tv every day and chit chatting with your karmi neighbours, then he/she definitely has the time to earn a living to support the family in some ways. As you can tell I don't like big govt. and I believe, first and foremost that we have responsibility to ourselves to better ourselves whether that is materially or spiritually. In some ways, the IGM or ISKCON devotees are more fired up than we are. They are on you tube, talking about their spiritual practices and philosophy. I saw on YouTube 2 ISKCON devotees talking about their beliefs in relation to the pandemic. The video was titled "During the pandemic: Where is Krishna?". You may not agree with what they say but they are doing something to inform others about Krishna. Hi Malati, Good to hear from you again. It has been a while. We've got a whole new set of active members and a few old-timers. Sorry if I misrepresented your departure. We see things differently often and disagree on many issues concerning CV. Yet, your very language concerning those who receive money from the government kind of a put down: "on the dole?" That sounds like criminality. Where is your compassion towards those who are less fortunate than you? Not everyone has the ability or the luck to be able to raise themselves up. I think conservatives are basically self-centered, selfish people. They are fine with letting others suffer or die without proper medical care or food assistance. The idea that we can all better ourselves without help from others is a delusion that is wide spread in the USA and apparently around the world. IGM is a community of imposters. They are not Vaisnavas pretending that they are. They are motivated by other desires than learning to love Krsna. Whatever information they pass on about Krsna is generally wrong. Without first entering the tradition through initiation, or studying and practicing the tradition carefully under a genuine guru's guidance they go out and preach and present themselves as experts. IGM is nothing but a collection of personality cults. There was the Bhaktisiddhanta cult, the Bhaktivinode cult, the Bhaktvedanta cult. The only bhakti those guys had was in their names. The books they wrote are full of mistakes and Vaisnava aparadha. They are actually a community of asuras pretending to be daivik. If you want to waste your time reading their books and watching their videos that is up to you. I have better things to spend my few remaining days on. My comments here may seem unjustifiably harsh to some members here. Perhaps they are. It has always been my contention that the real Caitanya Vaisnava tradition (CV) has been hijacked by IGM. This arose long ago from my discovery that Bhaktisiddhanta was not properly initiated into the tradition. He never received initiation from Gaurakisora Das Babaji, except perhaps in dream which is not an accepted form of initiation in CV. This he admitted before Pandit Ramakrsna Das Babaji years ago. Yet, IGM makes the claim that they are the only surviving authentic lineage of the CV community and they put down all other babajis and goswamis as being inauthentic. Yet, they have no real diksa lineage and all those they put down do. Is this just a technicality or is it an important and meaningful problem? If this is just a technicality, then it is an open game. Anyone can slap some mud on their foreheads and some beads around their necks and start preaching about Krsna. If, however, initiation is important, if it is an empowerment, as Sri Jiva says it is, then one must take it seriously and undergo the rite before one can dare to represent the tradition, certainly before one can initiate others into the tradition. Initiation, however, is just a beginning; it is a legitimate beginning, but just a beginning. It is a commitment to honor the teachers of the tradition, the lineage of one's gurus, and to try to the best of one's ability to study the central scriptures of the tradition and do one's best to understand them. In addition, it is a commitment to follow the practical teachings of the tradition to the best of one's ability. In this way one gradually comes to have deep insights into the tradition and Krsna prema begins to gradually develop (we can't make it develop, it is a gift). I know there are many members of this forum who do not have initiation yet. I encourage them to engage as best they can in the essential practices, to be patient, and most of all not to lose hope. Your meetings with your gurus are coming. No one can predict when or where, but they will come. Just please don't accept something fake out of desperation or impatience. Avoid whatever IGM manages to conjure up. It will be an illusion and you will wind up cheated the way I was and many thousands of others have been. Avoid their books and translations. They cannot be trusted and they are corrupted by Vaisnava aparadha. Even Bhaktivinode, who was once a passion of mine, cannot be trusted. He was rejected by his gurudeva which is not a thing to be taken lightly. I suspect that the tradition began to be twisted with him and the result was IGM. I have tried to do the best I can to create an alternative literature that more clearly and faithfully represents the CV tradition. But I am slow and flawed and often overwhelmed by the enormity and seriousness of the job. For every work I have produced, IGM has produced 20. There are, of course, other voices who represent the authentic tradition. And those are valuable resources. But, the usurpers are winning the PR battle and soon may silence the real tradition completely. Well, enough of this depressing tale.
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Post by Ed on Jun 26, 2020 11:23:44 GMT -6
Radhe Radhe! I'm pretty sure by this point that 'pheasant' is a bot and not a real person. So I think we need to delete that account and delete all posts on this thread in response to 'pheasant'. What do you say? I think this is a legitimate person who was once a member of this board. He was a little off then, but now he seems way off. I could not make much sense out of what he was saying. Back in the day, he was more coherent. Now he seems to have lost even that. His name was Vrajavilasadasa. He lived in Iowa and maintained motorcycles. I feel bad about excluding him, but like I say he seems to speak only gibberish now, with a few glimmers of some purpose or meaning. He's reapplied for membership. What do the members of this forum think I should do? Let him in or not? Well, I’m a little off myself, and this has always been a welcoming place for anyone interested in participating, for some reason he wants in and I personally don’t feel like excluding him either, but this is just my opinion, I understand that it is disruptive considering the regular dynamic here so I’ll respect the other’s point of view if the feel that is the way to go.
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Post by Nitaidas on Jun 26, 2020 12:45:00 GMT -6
I think this is a legitimate person who was once a member of this board. He was a little off then, but now he seems way off. I could not make much sense out of what he was saying. Back in the day, he was more coherent. Now he seems to have lost even that. His name was Vrajavilasadasa. He lived in Iowa and maintained motorcycles. I feel bad about excluding him, but like I say he seems to speak only gibberish now, with a few glimmers of some purpose or meaning. He's reapplied for membership. What do the members of this forum think I should do? Let him in or not? Well, I’m a little off myself, and this has always been a welcoming place for anyone interested in participating, for some reason he wants in and I personally don’t feel like excluding him either, but this is just my opinion, I understand that it is disruptive considering the regular dynamic here so I’ll respect the other’s point of view if the feel that is the way to go. Yes. I kind of feel the same. I hate to ban people who want to participate, even if I don't agree or can't understand what they are saying. I've had that happen to me often enough in other forums. I think I will let him in again, under the name he once used.
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Post by Nityānanda dāsa on Jun 26, 2020 12:56:49 GMT -6
I think this is a legitimate person who was once a member of this board. He was a little off then, but now he seems way off. I could not make much sense out of what he was saying. Back in the day, he was more coherent. Now he seems to have lost even that. His name was Vrajavilasadasa. He lived in Iowa and maintained motorcycles. I feel bad about excluding him, but like I say he seems to speak only gibberish now, with a few glimmers of some purpose or meaning. He's reapplied for membership. What do the members of this forum think I should do? Let him in or not? Ah. My mistake Dada. I'm all for keeping him and not excluding. I guess the difficult piece is decoding what he's trying to say. I guess we'll see how it goes. Jai Sri Radhe!
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Post by meeno8 on Jun 27, 2020 11:41:05 GMT -6
I would hate to see anyone discouraged from reading posts here if they were not allowed membership, even if they post cryptic messages. Perhaps someone will consider it a challenge to decipher those. Therefore, I vote to allow him back in.
IGM is driving the public narrative, unfortunately. Is it simply hubris on their part, or that combined with having been conned by propaganda themselves, which they continue to promulgate. Perhaps we need to consider it on a case by case basis for each individual in those 2 organizations. I did not witness all of them being antagonistic towards the babajis and Goswamis. There are a certain percentage of them that are more liberal and open-minded in that respect.
How do we make the general public aware of the CV tradition as separate from IGM and why it is very different? I think that is our biggest challenge going forward. Maybe if Pandit Nitaidas Ji could get on some podcasts, maybe with some Indians for starters (just don't mention your plot to steal Radha/Krishna from India). We can take the high road, which means not bothering to trash IGM, just point out that the mainstream tradition we follow is separate from their sect. When I mentioned the problems in ISKCON to one of the babajis (our gurubhai) in 1980, he said, "We do not criticize other religions". I found that to be a very significant remark.
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Post by JD33 on Jun 27, 2020 18:33:15 GMT -6
Nitai-Gaur, Radhey-Shyam; Hare Krsna, Hare Ram. Jai Nitai !!
NITAI DASSJI Quote: "IGM is a community of imposters. They are not Vaisnavas pretending that they are. They are motivated by other desires than learning to love Krsna. Whatever information they pass on about Krsna is generally wrong. Without first entering the tradition through initiation, or studying and practicing the tradition carefully under a genuine guru's guidance they go out and preach and present themselves as experts. IGM is nothing but a collection of personality cults. There was the Bhaktisiddhanta cult, the Bhaktivinode cult, the Bhaktvedanta cult. The only bhakti those guys had was in their names. The books they wrote are full of mistakes and Vaisnava aparadha. They are actually a community of asuras pretending to be daivik. If you want to waste your time reading their books and watching their videos that is up to you. I have better things to spend my few remaining days on.
and also from NITAI DASSJI: "My comments here may seem unjustifiably harsh to some members here. Perhaps they are. It has always been my contention that the real Caitanya Vaisnava tradition (CV) has been hijacked by IGM. This arose long ago from my discovery that Bhaktisiddhanta was not properly initiated into the tradition. He never received initiation from Gaurakisora Das Babaji, except perhaps in dream which is not an accepted form of initiation in CV. This he admitted before Pandit Ramakrsna Das Babaji years ago. Yet, IGM makes the claim that they are the only surviving authentic lineage of the CV community and they put down all other babajis and goswamis as being inauthentic. Yet, they have no real diksa lineage and all those they put down do. Is this just a technicality or is it an important and meaningful problem? If this is just a technicality, then it is an open game. Anyone can slap some mud on their foreheads and some beads around their necks and start preaching about Krsna. If, however, initiation is important, if it is an empowerment, as Sri Jiva says it is, then one must take it seriously and undergo the rite before one can dare to represent the tradition, certainly before one can initiate others into the tradition. Initiation, however, is just a beginning; it is a legitimate beginning, but just a beginning. It is a commitment to honor the teachers of the tradition, the lineage of one's gurus, and to try to the best of one's ability to study the central scriptures of the tradition and do one's best to understand them. In addition, it is a commitment to follow the practical teachings of the tradition to the best of one's ability. In this way one gradually comes to have deep insights into the tradition and Krsna prema begins to gradually develop (we can't make it develop, it is a gift). I know there are many members of this forum who do not have initiation yet. I encourage them to engage as best they can in the essential practices, to be patient, and most of all not to lose hope. Your meetings with your gurus are coming. No one can predict when or where, but they will come. Just please don't accept something fake out of desperation or impatience. Avoid whatever IGM manages to conjure up. It will be an illusion and you will wind up cheated the way I was and many thousands of others have been. Avoid their books and translations. They cannot be trusted and they are corrupted by Vaisnava aparadha. Even Bhaktivinode, who was once a passion of mine, cannot be trusted. He was rejected by his gurudeva which is not a thing to be taken lightly. I suspect that the tradition began to be twisted with him and the result was IGM. I have tried to do the best I can to create an alternative literature that more clearly and faithfully represents the CV tradition. But I am slow and flawed and often overwhelmed by the enormity and seriousness of the job. For every work I have produced, IGM has produced 20. There are, of course, other voices who represent the authentic tradition. And those are valuable resources. But, the usurpers are winning the PR battle and soon may silence the real tradition completely. Well, enough of this depressing tale."
The above information is something that has alot of depth and many layers for people to deeply understand. Understanding this can be of great help to ex-IGM people in their efforts to truly love Gauranga Mahaprbhu and progress in attaining genuine Radha-Krsna Prem Bhakti and seva, by following the true Tradition. Best wishes in your efforts !!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 10:12:43 GMT -6
i see , it was clear . amazing , much becoming posted behind the scenes drama . but knowing the demarcations from georgia us . The analogue highs&lows , extending , once you hear a butterfly in hawaii . i would had associated the name ed within a instance with advaita . shots of his mother in a rexturant at the northen coast in europe . a rendering . You weren’t that far off, I did register here as Eka. Sorry for my rude assumption earlier, didn’t mean anything by it, just an honest mistake. Attachments:baladeva.pdf (228.45 KB)
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Post by JD33 on Jun 28, 2020 12:58:36 GMT -6
Nitai-Gaur, Radhey-Shyam; Hare Krsna, Hare Ram.
One more thing to mention. There are other Radha-Krsna Prem Bhakti Rasik Tradition Like Nimbarka - which is worthy to study and if desired entered into.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 18:20:18 GMT -6
i see , it was clear . amazing , much becoming posted behind the scenes drama . but knowing the demarcations from georgia us . The analogue highs&lows , extending once you hear a butterfly in hawaii . i would had associated the name ed within a instance with advaita . shots of his mother in a rexturant at the northen coast in europe . a rendering . You weren’t that far off, I did register here as Eka. Sorry for my rude assumption earlier, didn’t mean anything by it, just an honest mistake.
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