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Post by hredwood on Apr 9, 2008 17:31:30 GMT -6
Yeah i noticed the same thing at the Iskcon temple i used to visit, all the younger generation devotees were so horney all the time( including me). fighting and bickering among each other( i stayed out of this and just observed), when really it was just the build of sexual tension that was not being released in a proper way. That one thing i dont agree about iskcons full withdrawal of sexual desires, its impossible to do such a thing. Sex is not all material, if the conscious is right its the joining of two spirits in the sex act that brings a new soul into the world, so i dont see how sex can be just a material thing, as its the two souls in the sex ritual that are bringing a new soul into the world, this ritual is a joining of two loving souls who love each other in relationship. just the same as what the humans say about the relationship between radha and krsna.( I say humans because god personally has not come down and updated the texts, supposerly did that 5,000 years ago, but now everything is just a jumbled mess of translation and human intervention).
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Post by kingcobra on Apr 18, 2008 19:21:35 GMT -6
Thanks for posting that, Buddy S. Svarupa and Chitta are old friends from my days in LA. I remember when we were on a flight to India in 1977 and he mysteriously disappeared. I searched all over the plane for him and could not find him anywhere. Suddenly he reappeared a few hours later. I think he must have snuck down that secret passage into the cargo hold like in the movie Passenger 57. Either that or he is quite a magician or maybe a master of disguises. ;D
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Post by Nitaidas on Apr 23, 2008 10:24:29 GMT -6
Thanks for these, buddy. They make interesting reading. Keep'em coming.
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Post by kingcobra on Apr 25, 2008 18:47:22 GMT -6
I have read a few paragraphs, time being restrictive for me. Brought back a few memories. You are a talented writer, Buddy S.
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Post by kingcobra on Apr 27, 2008 14:38:57 GMT -6
Did you sell the film rights to your unauthorized autobiography yet? ;D
What I think we need to see you do with this at this point is fast forward to when you finally severed your ties with the mother ship and bring us up to date from that point in time. You can then flash back to the rest of that IGM era of your life. In other words, we've been there, done that. Of course, if that is going to disrupt your flow, then you can ignore that suggestion. It is, after all, just a suggestion.
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Post by 660222175 on Apr 28, 2008 0:12:41 GMT -6
charlemagne traveled keith opposite the creepy montecarlo.
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Bill Morgan vrajavilasaadas
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Post by Bill Morgan vrajavilasaadas on Apr 28, 2008 7:18:06 GMT -6
Mix of Sun & Moon smile on me. That Huckabee cartoon talk thats my bearing.
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Post by kingcobra on May 3, 2008 5:42:26 GMT -6
I used to be a recovering Catholic, then I was a recovering Protestant, then I was a recovering Catholic, then I was a recovering Astarian, then I was a recovering IGMer. From CV I don't need to recover, just reevalujate and reprioritize and reeingineer. Where have you gone Buddy S. The suspense is killing us!
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Post by kingcobra on May 17, 2008 22:10:33 GMT -6
I laud you for finally seeing through the smoke and mirrors, Buddy S. I luckily saw the light very early on (within days of joining the Radha Damodar bus party, actually). I knew ISKCON and its teachings were seriously flawed, but I had to wait to see what was the better alternative. I discovered that with the help of friends.
Now I view myself as an introspective yet circumspect adherent of CV, quite a bit different from what I was when I first encountered its community on a less formal basis (when I was part of ISKCON I was too suspicious of that community) in 1980. Today I am much more pragmatic and less ritualistic. Sure, I still try to chant the gayatri mantras everyday, but don't find time for the full boat of a lakh of nama japa daily. I think it is very beneficial, but so is my tai chi practice (need to find at least a half hour a day for that). I think I'm finally getting there with the whole life/work balance thing. Just took me a couple decades and finding a sane company to work for.
Well, now I have started to tell my story. The rest will have to be flashbacks. For another night. I am just about ready for my hi tech bed (found out how to reset the remote by calling customer service - that's the problem when you misplace the manuals for appliances). Buenos noches one and all.
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Post by chandan on May 25, 2008 10:37:58 GMT -6
buddy.. enjoyed reading this, your a very prolific writer... I was part of that exact same fringie scene in LA, so much of what you said really brought me back, you sound like one of the crowd I ran with ...
Question:
How can I live on Maui man? I really would like to, but it seems so damn expensive...I could go to the Big Island (was there 3 months summer before last) more affordable, but it seems Maui is a better place for mainlanders coming to the islands, with more of a spiritual scene there...any ideas?
namaskar,
chandan (jijaji)
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Post by chandan on May 25, 2008 18:25:29 GMT -6
I work with a private party (investor) part time who buys and sells property on the Big Island (mainly vacant lots in Puna district and Hawaiian Ocean View Estates, and a few in other areas.. I can get into a plot of land cheap enough around Pahoa, but was thinking and even told Maui is an easier Island to live on, the Big island can be rough going man,
So I have work there even and I do a few other income producing things as well (on line) ... maybe I'll just head for Pahoa although I would like to check out the Maui scene..
Mahalo,
chandan
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Post by chandan on May 25, 2008 21:00:50 GMT -6
I never had a problem with locals when I was there in fact they all seemed to like me...although I got some stink eye from time to time
rough goin, meaning the rain, more isolated, less nice beach areas...more rustic..
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Post by kingcobra on May 30, 2008 20:46:28 GMT -6
ISKCON died a slow miserable death right after it made Mark D'Atillo (aka Vishnujana Swami) its sacrificial lamb. They just can't wash the blood off their hands, can they? Oh well, they are guilt junkies after all, aren't they?
The funeral procession passed by long ago. You mourners can all go home now.
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Post by vrajavilasadas on Jun 3, 2008 9:51:06 GMT -6
A Big Time can do already done an on the off chance can someone explain to me why obsessed with that voluntary withdraw such as these. Lets explore liability. No One pays homage to it like Sanscrit : Get Some?
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Post by kingcobra on Jun 21, 2008 11:06:35 GMT -6
Very, very interesting, Buddy. I've skimmed it over. Just wish I had time right now to read through all of it carefully.
ISKCON always had their agenda, and I always had my own. They were really always just a research project of mine. I originally showed up at the Evanston, Illinois temple (where they already knew me) with a shaved head and orange dhoti and my japa-mala in a bead bag I had sewn my myself by hand. The shaved head actually came out of an agreement I had made with my mother: She agreed to quit smoking if I would get a haircut (at the time my hair was down to my waist). When she saw the type of haircut, she said, "You know that is not what I meant by a haircut." She of course never quit smoking until she was on oxygen in her final weeks.
So here this guy that has been hanging around the temple shows up in full regalia and says he intends to travel around to all of the ISKCON temples in North America to check them out. Well, they could not have a loose cannon like that running around, so they immediatly recruited me to travel with Tamal and Vishnujana on their bus. When we stopped in Dallas, I wrote a letter to Prabhupada asking him for initiation. I received a form letter back within a few days (don't even remember what it said) from his then secretary, and Tamal (who I was secretary for at the time) told me that I was not allowed to ask for initiation from Prabhupada directly and that he would be recommending me for initiation when he deemed I was ready for it. So several months later, we had the mass initiation of all the new Radha Damodar traveling party recruits, and the next day I announced to Tamal and Vishnujana my intentions to collect money to travel to India forthwith. Vishnujana just laughed and told me I would not last very long there after coming down with some horrible disease (it turned out he was right - before my six months on my tourist visa was up I was lying on the floor of the "brahmachari ashram" at the Bombay temple with eyes as yellow as lemons from a case of hepatitis. Tamal happened to be there at the time and told me to get back to America for treatment, which I had no qualms about. Then he tried to recruit me as the temple treasurer back in Evanston as I was sitting there working on a copy of a painting by Jairama at Uttamasloka's request. I told him my math skills were too rusty, and then he left me alone for the time being. I then headed to BBT in LA and joined the art department, then transferred to the Sanksrit department after a few months. Radhaballabha said to me, "I did not know you were one of Nitai's men. Of course you are welcome to join the Sanskrit department immediately." Nitai had been teaching some classes on Panani sutras in Vrindavan, and I was attending those.
So that is pretty much most of my background with ISKCON in a nutshell. They always had their plans, and I always had my own. When they no longer fit into my plans, I walked away and never looked back.
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