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Post by billie jean on Jul 22, 2008 6:40:21 GMT -6
Another delusion of his is he thinks all these comments are from the same person, they are not...
And more will come as the news of Shivas declaration of Michael Jackson as Krishna spreads.
We all knew something was wrong with this guy for years, actually I am sad it turned out to be this bad, very scary.
Shiva seriously needs to seek some help.
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Post by Vivek on Jul 22, 2008 7:08:08 GMT -6
If Radharani enjoys with lots of boys, then what does this lunatic proposes is the use of Krsna?
Oh yeah, I forget, Krsna is meant for our entertainment, moonwalking and such. Amazing philosophy.
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Post by billie jean on Jul 22, 2008 9:51:27 GMT -6
Frankly, I have not heard anything as nutty since Kirtanananda or the Jayatirtha stuff. Michael Jackson as Krishna? And he says I am crazy?
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Post by scoop on Jul 22, 2008 14:35:35 GMT -6
Jij, you're aware of the similarity betweens Kirtananda, Jaytirtha, Shiva, Ananda (to name a few) and your master Osho, right?
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Post by private parts on Jul 22, 2008 14:55:18 GMT -6
Dear Scoop,
Perhaps you have not heard, but the jij has evaporated into ananta, may he rest in pieces
All that remains is Dhyan Moksha.
But this is off topic from the Michael Jackson as Krishna topic,
thx
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Post by private parts on Jul 22, 2008 14:56:59 GMT -6
Pardon me,
meant to say the jij has evaporated into 'anatta'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2008 16:27:56 GMT -6
To all you obsessive compulsive tiraders out there: Buddysattva has you figured out...
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Post by billie jean on Jul 23, 2008 10:07:55 GMT -6
Here we see the 'Hidden Incarnation' of Krishna with bandaids:
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Post by Nitaidas on Jul 23, 2008 11:01:10 GMT -6
What have you guys and gals been up to while I have been gone? It looks like more fighting. Guess I have no right to complain. I am something of a scrapper myself.
Anyway, let's be nice to each other for a change. I know, nice is boring, but hey, it's much more pleasant. I don't see anything wrong with viewing Michael Jackson as Krsna. I don't think it is true in any significant way, but it serves to remind one of Krsna in the way that a blue-black cloud might. No harm in that. Buddhysattva is our Buddy-to-be. Perhaps that time has not yet arrived, but it takes quite a bit of courage to take the Buddy-sattva vow. It must go something like this: "I refuse to enter nirvana until everyone in the world is my buddy." Let's help him out. Let's all be his buddies!
Just dropping in for a short visit today. Got to pick up and go again tomorrow. May not be able to check in for another week. Then, after I return and get settled at home again, I look forward to continuing the translation of the songs of Govinda Das, the translation of the Tattva-sandarbha with comms, and the commentary on the CB by Radhagovinda Nath. We are almost up to the seminal verse in the TS, the verse that summarizes it all. RGN has already made many good points and there is much more to come. Till then, take care and make nice!
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Post by Office Space Guy on Jul 24, 2008 7:36:03 GMT -6
I don't need to think of Michael Jackson to remind me of Krishna. Right outside my cubicle at work is a name tag for a guy named Krish Krishnan - apparently his desk. Much like Krishna, he never shows up - in other words he is here in name only.
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Post by go figure on Jul 24, 2008 9:28:00 GMT -6
Strange, Nitai fights and fights with anadi and his Siddhanta, but with the Michael Jackson Siddhanta he is fine with it.
go figure
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Post by ditto on Jul 24, 2008 10:20:07 GMT -6
strange indeed, but not surprising. who needs consistency when there is a buddy's surface to kiss.
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Post by Bhakta Dharma on Jul 29, 2008 7:15:05 GMT -6
Please stop this condemnation and nit picking! You are off your heads, all of you who wish others to be paced inside some loony bin! Psychiatry is tainted with Nazism in its history, and is built on an assumption that all those states of mind rubber stamped as this and that ‘disorder’ (psychiatrists would have Krishna consciousness stamped as some disorder, never mind quirky interpretations and subtle jokes and strange versions such as BS) are caused by brain imbalances and needed chemical (poisons) treatments. Read Thomas Szaz for truths sake! Come on ye unhip and quick to judge. Never wish psychiatric intervention on anyone, even if they exhibit harmless childish pranking and making various points in doing so. Violent types simply should be locked up or restrained and shouldn’t be used as examples to carry on ‘treating’ the main percentage of those in there abused for real in nuthouses and God knows where. And Buddhisattva, perhaps it would be better for you to keep certain things stumpf unless you don’t mind being a martyr to those quick to judge who as I can see, support and keep faith in psychiatry here in this thread, and such belief systems, which do more harm (irreparable tardive dyskonesia and such things) than any seeing of Krishna avatar in the rich and famous, accused of things we do not actually know unless we were there. Someone is accused, someone says conspiracy, others it is real and what do we actually know. Where is the honesty? We don’t know and we should also question our visions, test the spirit in Christian terms. Buddhysattva your history writing and certain realisations great, but why the stuff which obviously invokes such narrow minded tirade and un gentlemanly swear wordish violence?
I am definitely unconvinved that MJ is Krishna in the sense that BS does, most certainly, but then isn’t everyone an expansion of the Sweet Lord of Rasa? The foolish and wise, righteous and wicked are all Krishna’s expansions. Buddhysattva, it seems you subtily seem disturbed by the fact that one can have a relationship with Krishna as a female only in the tradition, and you see no example of a male relationship with God as female and so perhaps you improvise as a joke. But this female only as highest in relationship to God is not the only case in the biblical tradition (yet it is there too) where if one cares to read Proverbs and read well one will see numerous examples of a conjugal relationship with God’s wisdom who is female! One must be ravished by her breasts etc etc. In Europe, when Bridal Mystics ravished in internal female forms, renouncing the pleasures of all sexuality and sense enjoyment in the world, the male monks wedded to Christ, also were linked to the Troubadours with their almost monastic and chivalrous love of the cosmic Lady in various specific female forms. Perhaps Krishna reserves such a rasa of inward male to Godhead female to the Biblical tradition, or perhaps it exists somewhere in Indian tradition, but has been eclipsed (apart from Sahajiyas). The story of Maharaja Dusyanta and Shakuntala was explained using rasa tattva by Kali Dasa. The Sufi Madhumalati talks of the rasa of God love within a relationship of a particular prince and his beloved one. These last two examples are not sahajiya traditions.
I myself see a multi Krishna Vishnu/ Christ expansion in Peter Pan, Pan the deity himself, Robin Hood with Maid Marian (Mary Magdalene) and other such literary western traditions. I see Narasimhadev in Aslan in the Narnian realms, and I could go on. After all are they not countless expansions of Krishna. A multiform Radha as Maid Marian, Mary Magdalene, Sheba, Rukmini, and by the way the Grail as alchemical stone relates also to Cintamini touchstone too. And chess is a scientific demonstration of Radha Krishna pastimes too! Yes I am quite bonkers in this but I try to respect, love and live peacefully, and I wish this to you all. Please stop all this nonsense of condemnation of folk as mad! Chaitanya was called a madman too and many fanatical and staunch four regulative principle consciousness types of water washing purity standards are also fond of the madness label too! I would rather see that Krishna expands into a multiform musical conglomeration of jiva shaktiavesha limbs consisting of various sound vibrations, such as all that was good and uplifting in the music of Jimi Hendrix, Miles Davis and John Coltrane, but that is my preference and I am free whether or not to create a religion around this if I want, as long as I don’t abuse anyone in doing so!
In regards to brotherhood matters, did you know Buddysattva, that the Hendrix film Rainbow Bridge reveals that the brotherhood were linked to Laguna Beach and LA back in 1969, way before the Rishabdev and others heroin-coke corruption version of the original brotherhood ideal? Original brotherhood, were dealers of the Christ sacrament kahnebosm and the ergot wheat sacrament LSD and were into this combined with the support of spiritual infrastructures as well as dealing, but on this dealing side, things got out of hand. Same with Isk it would seem if they were interconnected with them from early days. Psychedelic matters, issues and science and such things have a great pedigree going back before the Beats and the Hips and would have been of great interest to latter day alchemists and Rosicrucians. Psychedelic countercultural matters are generally involved within the wider and older alchemical tradition of the elixir of life, amrta, soma. Therefore when I speculate of an inner order within Isk’s dealings with the Brotherhood I think in terms of some alchemical Rosicrucian like order interested in Isk and perhaps even some of them becoming devotees or brotherhood members. It is this kind of group, ‘esoteric’ (this term can apply to anything passed down to a limited group orally and yet touching on finer spiritual subject matters) I have in mind when I envision some sort of inner order within not just Isk but also GM and other branches. Heroin and coke came into the brotherhood later and muddied the waters and got many into touble. Perhaps this is in essence what went wrong with Isk behind all the smoke screens and scandals. Drug deals gone wrong, pure and simply and the scandals used to divert folk away from this whilst things are secretly being patched up. Devotees getting caught up in this on the surface may seem over authoritarian but they were fixed on getting things back on track as best they could, naturally though, they would have to keep things quiet. However this may in fact be simply speculation. But what do I know, I wasn’t around and have simply read only whats available on net and books and put it all together when watching Hendrix Rainbow Bridge and trying to read between lines of Satsvarupa’s lilamrta and accounts such as yours, Monkey on Stick, Nori Muster’s Betrayel of Spirit and anything such as this I can get my hands on.
Brotherhood ideal was originally a mystical alchemical fraternity like Rosicrucians, in my opinion, which became corrupted by coke and heroin dealing later, as was the trend of the times. Read any story of a San Fransisco rock band whose principles were built on the neo beat spiritual vibe principle and who were out there in the psychedelic zone, and see how they drifted into the coke, heroin and gangsterism of the music industry in time and tried keeping their asses out of the fire for as long as they could. But I do not know for sure and it may all be some kind of alternative history on the plane of storyland for all I know.
MJ and such matters aside, what mainly attracts me to this well written story of Buddhysattva is it is a valuable piece of writing which fills in the details of the broader counterculture and its history in later phases. It is a great story simply from the background view of a Grateful Deadhead’s spirituality gone bonkers perhaps? It is also a chapter in the history of the counterculture in Hawaii too. It also reveals the human side of Isk too rather than the illusions invoked by those hiding behind a front illusions either of either idolisation and fearful denial of whats really going on, or total condemnation and zealous indignation and wrath that also does not understand the situation one is completely disillusioned by. Meanwhile those who are projecting the front are also fearful to lose it too. There are psychedelic Robin Hood type spiritual buccaneers and adventurists and on the other side folk who like to zealously bust and imprison, steal and condemn as heretic and so forth, so one can understanding the human motivations of weakness which end up hiding behind a front put up by some, but not all. We also put on fronts to survive daily, whether its walking with a certain confidence you don’t normally have which mysteriously descends upon you, as you walk past a crowd of ruffians so they don’t pounce on you, or looking like you are into your job, despite the fact you hate it, so that you do not get the sack and end up impoverished. Therefore for some these historical accounts can be healing, healing from ones reaction to a front miss-read, an illusion invoked by a front for survival in situations unknown, which one can put aside and get on with the real issue of the alchemical and spiritual gold of rasa amrta bliss and joy in Love of God. Isnt this an ongoing quest?
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Post by koala on Jul 29, 2008 7:57:23 GMT -6
I would rather see that Krishna expands into a multiform musical conglomeration of jiva shaktiavesha limbs consisting of various sound vibrations, such as all that was good and uplifting in the music of Jimi Hendrix, Miles Davis and John Coltrane, but that is my preference and I am free whether or not to create a religion around this if I want, as long as I don’t abuse anyone in doing so!
As long as there is no abuse. But that is not the case with Shiva. He calls "stupid" anyone who disagrees with him. He really believes his is the only way, and that is scary, to say the least.
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Post by Im important on Jul 29, 2008 9:43:05 GMT -6
Get off your soapbox know it all
;D
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