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Post by JD33 on Jul 12, 2009 22:04:55 GMT -6
This thread is an opportunity to ask sincere questions about the CV path in practice. I do not claim I will have all the answers, but recently found a compassionate shift in my attitude towards others and for what its worth will do what I can to help sincere people understand the living tradition as I knew it in the 70's and 80's while living and otherwise getting the blessings of many Siddhas and Saints of the tradition.
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Post by Anonymous on Jul 13, 2009 17:38:10 GMT -6
Thank you for your kind offer, jd33.
For those of us who may be struggling with / recovering from the toxic indoctrination of the ISKCON experience, and sincerely desiring to understand the true CV path, could you possibly start with an explanation of CV.101?
What are the fundamental differences between what we learned from ACBS, and true CV? Ekkehard Lorenz's essays indicate that the blatant misogyny of ACBS' "teachings" is, to a large extent, his own distortion, and not something "handed down" by the previous acaryas. How does his analysis fit in with what other scholars and practitioners would define as the practice and belief system of "pure" CV?
These are just a few preliminary questions. I have many, many more.
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Post by JD33 on Jul 13, 2009 18:27:46 GMT -6
Ok - Thank you Anonymous...... I do not know E. Lorenz's essays so until I can get a chance to read them I do not know what you are reffering to. Also, couldn't find anything diffinitive online.
Kindly excuse me for not wanting to approach the differences in regards to IGM - I would rather proceed with CV as a whole different Tradition and go from there. (I personally have very little experience of IGM).
As you know CV Tradition is a set of understandings and pathway(s) to lovingly interact with Radha-Krsna, Caitainya Mahaprabhu including all the other beings in the tradition and one's SadGuru who have attained that realm.
As we can see from the Siddhas and Saints of the Tradition we understand that it is not an easy accomplishment to attain within one's lifetime and yet with the time tested practices one can go a long ways and even attain the goal.... but this is not to rule out pure compassionate grace or previously earned grace that comes to a few without following the outline path. In the West though many of us are apt to consider those exceptions to be us and so we do not usually attain the true goal = loving devoted and skillful activities for the enhancement of Radha-Krsna and all the others in the non-material realm of Radha-Krsna - directly.
This goal is achieved by one-pointed concentration on the Holy Names of Radha-Krsna. The more one does this with the utmost of humility, respect, and concentrated absorbtion - while being loving, kind and gracious to all beings - the more one is likely to attain progress on the path.
With the above practice being daily observed - the Guru will be found and with that a mutual trusting, loving, devoted relationship can be developed and through the Blessed Guru one attains the support, help and upliftment to carry one futher on the path of transformation, transmutation and receptivity to compassionate grace. Thus one continues to peek the interest of the Luminaries of the CV Tradition and of Radha-Krsna and one receives the ingress of Krsna's own energy and one further progresses on the path.
It is a basic path of yogic bhakti seva in humility. I hope this is a start.
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Post by Anonymous on Jul 13, 2009 19:44:24 GMT -6
jd33:
When you write, "This goal is achieved by one-pointed concentration on the Holy Names of Radha-Krsna. The more one does this with the utmost of humility, respect, and concentrated absorbtion - while being loving, kind and gracious to all beings - the more one is likely to attain progress on the path," this is most encouraging. I strive for one-pointed concentration on the Holy Names, while at the same time endeavoring to be loving, kind and gracious to all beings.
But, after my own and countless others' traumatic experience with ACBS, the idea of "guru" as someone who falsely and arrogantly puts himself forward as standing between myself and God, as ACBS offensively did, is deeply disturbingto me.
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Post by JD33 on Jul 13, 2009 20:09:39 GMT -6
ok - That is a difficulty that needs to be addressed. I feel for you and can only suggest you understand that a Sad (Sadguru) or True Guru does not do such things. It is almost the difference between night and day. A True Guru is loving and affectionate towards others and wants to help sisyas (disciples) in their care in all sincerity to be lovingly taken care of by Sri Radha.
Secondly though I would suggest you sincerely address Sri Bhagavan to kindly cleanse all these traumas from your psycho-phyisical field (Body, mind, and soul). Do this many times each day with utmost sincereity and you might notice these things lifting from you more and more. and with that gain inspiration and clarity.
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Post by JKuppertruce on Jul 13, 2009 21:16:44 GMT -6
"Counteless Traumatic Experiences With ACBS!" sounds like the title of a smashhit tell all book the victims of ACBS are candidly missing writing. Do this people realize the type of goldmine they have been sitting their sore butt on?
Ok, lets say the traumatic experiences where literally countless. Shouldn't that produce some sort of holocaust-like outrageous evidence?
I for one, wanna see that. Really. Its not enough to see the grinning face of Hitler everywhere getting away with countless evil. Where is the exposing? Where are the scars? Countless, and yet we haven't got a book. Or a movie. Starring Liam Neeson. Nothing but rathayatras everywhere, every year.
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Post by Myopya on Jul 13, 2009 21:35:25 GMT -6
It is so very clear there was no misogyny whatsoever in the tradition until Ekhard discovered ACBS'. Now fortunately women everywhere are freed from <i>that</i> unfairness. Our heartfelt thanks to Ekhard.
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Post by Radom on Jul 13, 2009 21:46:22 GMT -6
Where's Nitai? I feel more safe with Nitai around. We need a section named Inner Sane Nitarium.  |
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Post by FTS on Jul 13, 2009 21:47:50 GMT -6
JKuppertruce and Myopya: You guys might think about learning how to spell before attempting to comment  |
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Post by Dipshits Anonymous on Jul 13, 2009 21:53:40 GMT -6
They might wanna think about learning how to READ, too, while they're at it, since they completely misunderstood everything that was written.
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Post by Judge Mental on Jul 13, 2009 22:15:24 GMT -6
Teh Ekhard Brigade I see.
Ok ok lets be fair, "my own and countless others' traumatic experience" is a very easy read if one is only willing. After all, its only one experience albeit by countless people. But its true, it doesn't warrant a whole book. Or at least it doesn't seem to catch Spilberg's attention.
Misspilberging too. What was he thinking?
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Post by ItsACon on Jul 13, 2009 22:49:17 GMT -6
" Counteless Traumatic Experiences With ACBS!" sounds like the title of a smashhit tell all book the victims of ACBS are candidly missing writing. Do this people realize the type of goldmine they have been sitting their sore butt on? Ok, lets say the traumatic experiences where literally countless. Shouldn't that produce some sort of holocaust-like outrageous evidence? I for one, wanna see that. Really. Its not enough to see the grinning face of Hitler everywhere getting away with countless evil. Where is the exposing? Where are the scars? Countless, and yet we haven't got a book. Or a movie. Starring Liam Neeson. Nothing but rathayatras everywhere, every year. Where are the scars? Is that a serious question? What, have you had your head in the sand for the past 15 or 20 years? The scars are manifest in the countless children who were violently sexually abused in epidemic proportions in ACBS' criminal so-called "gurukula" system. The scars are manifest in the women (the mothers, wives and daughters) who have been abused, mistreated and devalued, to the irreparable detriment of the so-called "ISKCON" society, due to ACBS' offensive and abusive "teachings." If you think there are "nothing but rathayatras everywhere, every year," you are seriously out of touch with reality. |
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Post by Roma on Jul 14, 2009 6:02:13 GMT -6
The mothers are confident and loud enough to go to Oprah and get a book deal. So why don't they do just that. Anonymous complaints to someone who doesn't even know ACDC isn't going to wok. Menwhile there is rathayatra aftar rathayatra. Why there was even a Krishna Balarama rathayatra in Washington last July 5th. And no tradition to stop it!
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Post by JD33 on Jul 14, 2009 9:02:36 GMT -6
Dear Anonymous and others who are sincere and want to further in bhakti - we can continue here even though it has become a hostile envoronment or you can e-mail me and we can do this all privately - as you prefere at any given time.
I did get your e-mail and have read the first essay - it is interesting and makes great sense. I will see about reading the other essay later today. IGM people seem to like to carry on hostility - even right here - it never ceases to amaze me. The actual Tradition of Mahaprabhu is very loving, compassionate, and happy and rich in depth and illuminated qualities, such as you would expect from a true tradition of real Saints. This is the good news, the bad news is that there are enough cultural and shastric simularities to IGM that people come from IGM and think they know Mahaprabhu's Tradition, and yet continue to carry on with hostility, abuse and kon-jobs, and preaching, which again never ceases to amaze me.
The suggestion would be for those coming to CV from IGM is for them to do whatever it takes to become humble and aware of themselves........ extensive yoga practice and/or a 3 to 6 month stint in a Buddhist or other such Monestary might be good medicine in the sense of cleaning out the predjuices that have built up in their system.
So again the humble and sincere can write me here or privately. Good luck and best wishes to everyone.
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Post by JM on Jul 14, 2009 10:15:46 GMT -6
What JD? Liek Traditionalists don't fight? Don't be silly...  |
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