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Post by Sakhicharan Das on Jul 24, 2009 22:28:27 GMT -6
Yes, you got a point there. Of course, he could make exceptions...why be a stickler, especially for rules that don't even seem as ones that would accomplish much? After I finish the entire book I imagine I will have a better informed opinion than what I do now. For fun and if I get a chance I will scan and post all the pics from the book. There are only three images of Hairakhandi Baba and the rest are other sadhus...mostly of a sadhu named Gorakh Babaji who showed the author around and taught her many things. She began to write the book thinking it would just be about various yogis in the Himalaya, but after a little while it became evident to her that the book was really meant to be only about Hairakhandi Baba.
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Post by Sutapad on Jul 25, 2009 15:59:35 GMT -6
What is more spiritual to me?
A good question: to each of us, what is spiritual?
I think there is a consensus among spiritual seekers, a sort of common sense of those who have gone beyong the senses, that spritual is that which is in the material but never, desingeneouly, for it.
Personally I am a believer in evolution of consciousness. I think its probable that human beings evolve spiritualy even in our very short lives. We are by nature seekers. We evolve in experience and understanding. What was spiritual a mere 100 years ago today is only religion. We cannot do without Jesus Christ if we are to be civilized: "thou shall not kill", we shall be kind, humane to ours and other species. But that has become only the foundation, a platform on which to build the understanding for the next stage. Spirituality is in the perpetual growing.
If one remains at the stage of ahimsa, charity, compassion, but does not continue one's development towards a sense of meaning and purpose, such person's acts ceases to be spiritual and become material. Meaning and purpose are at the core of spirituality. Thus, a spiritual person should not leave his readers with a sense of redundance, a sense of meaning that is circular at best.
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Post by FR on Jul 25, 2009 16:06:36 GMT -6
Sounds like GR people have infiltrated here!  |
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Post by bloke on Jul 25, 2009 17:31:26 GMT -6
Yea sounds like that Aran dude from Scotland...
gee I thought they weren't allowed to leave GR
;D
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Post by Ekantin on Jul 25, 2009 17:54:10 GMT -6
Do you yourself think the Autobiography of a Yogi in itself is a sample of the high level of spirituality of Paramahansa Yogananda? Just wondering. To be honest it's been a long while since I read it, so I'd have to read it again to make any opinion. I can understand why you think that though. The autobiography does seem very siddhi-centric, perhaps that was part of its enduring appeal. Sounds like GR people have infiltrated here! If true, I think it is a good thing. |
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Post by Save Yourself on Jul 26, 2009 8:22:09 GMT -6
I say, Aran is a few of the regulars at GR that strikes me as smartly independent. Dhyana and Ekkehard could do better, a shame, they are clearly stuck in their Iskcon past. Maybe now they are loosening up a bit, but the demage seems irreversible. Indeed, if the repercussion of the Hare Krishna experience is materialism, then the problem is with the Hare Krishna Movement, not with Gaudiyaism. The "brilliant" minds of that site should have figured by now that Gaudiya Repercussions is a misnome in itself. They should change the forum to Iskcon Repercussions, Jaypataka Repercussions, Prabhupada Repercussions, Mahashraya Repercussions, Satsvarupa Repercussions, but Gaudiya, they haven't got a clue what Gaudiya means. Some may say, "Oh Ananda is repercussioning now too, and he experienced EVERYTHING." Well, Ananda is experiencing what he cannot absolutely share with anyone. His is what we call Halfwit Repercussions.  |
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Post by Huston on Jul 26, 2009 11:23:15 GMT -6
Interesting comments, "if they come its a good thing", "I though they were not allowed to leave GR."
If they are not allowed to come, but come anyway, its a good thing for them, right?
The question then is this: Who really shares in the repercussions? By the number of people NOT participating in that group, after all these years, it seems the alleged repercussions is in the mind of only a few, perhaps just one. Perhaps it was just a silly choice of word whose moment has passed?
One member talks about how sweet it might be to go to a kirtan again. Another talks about how she didn't turn out so repercussioned after all. Heck maybe even better than some old "karmi" school friends.
Woah, people, suddenly, where did all the repercussion go?!
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Post by Benner on Jul 26, 2009 11:32:45 GMT -6
Nitai says that here, in his turf, one has to register to be in the actual Caitanya Symposium. Obviously then before registration one is only experiencing The Caitanya Symptoms. The irony of it is that some people believe that just by coming here they will gain entrance in to The Caitanya Simpsons. |
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Post by McMee on Jul 26, 2009 11:42:13 GMT -6
I would be honored if I were compared to Aran.
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Post by T on Jul 26, 2009 11:42:47 GMT -6
I am anonymous.  |
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Post by CVS on Jul 26, 2009 11:43:59 GMT -6
Where is Nitai?
;D
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Post by Ekantin on Jul 28, 2009 9:49:24 GMT -6
If one remains at the stage of ahimsa, charity, compassion, but does not continue one's development towards a sense of meaning and purpose, such person's acts ceases to be spiritual and become material. Meaning and purpose are at the core of spirituality. What is meaning and purpose but what we make? |
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Post by The Fairy on Jul 28, 2009 9:56:02 GMT -6
That we "make" it, Ekantin, is debatable. Some say we "find" meaning. Making something and finding what is already made are two very different dynamics...  |
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Post by Ekantin on Jul 29, 2009 10:22:26 GMT -6
That we "make" it, Ekantin, is debatable. Some say we "find" meaning. Making something and finding what is already made are two very different dynamics... Well, to me, "making" and "finding" meaning are more or less the same thing, because they both involve a subjective definition of meaning. Obviously meaning is a subjective thing, but it looks like Sutapad thought spirituality can providea sense of meaning from an 'outside' source, probably a spiritual one. It is this what I am questioning: Is meaning to be found from an outside source? What does it say about the independence of the individual if meaning is to be found (and possibly expected to apply) from an outside source? For a good discussion on meaning, I recommend Julian Baggini. |
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Post by gerard on Jul 29, 2009 10:44:45 GMT -6
Well, to me, "making" and "finding" meaning are more or less the same thing, because they both involve a subjective definition of meaning. Obviously meaning is a subjective thing, but it looks like Sutapad thought spirituality can providea sense of meaning from an 'outside' source, probably a spiritual one. It is this what I am questioning: Is meaning to be found from an outside source? What does it say about the independence of the individual if meaning is to be found (and possibly expected to apply) from an outside source? For a good discussion on meaning, I recommend Julian Baggini. What makes you think that "the spiritual" has an outside source, or am I mixing up your reply with Sutapad's opinion? I always think of "spirituality" as the exploration the inner dimension. As good old Makarius of Egypt said: "Thus also the heart is a little vessel. And yet there are dragons, and there are lions, the poisonous beasts, and all the treasures of wickedness, and there are rugged ways, and precipices. In like manner there is GOD, there are the angels; there is the life and the kingdom; there is the light, there are the treasures of grace: there are all things." Homily 18.9 |
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