subala
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Post by subala on Apr 8, 2009 2:19:49 GMT -6
Nitai....Some censorship wouldn't go amiss. Smut has no place in any thing connected to Vaisnavaism.
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Post by fred on Apr 8, 2009 11:06:04 GMT -6
Nitai....Some censorship wouldn't go amiss. Smut has no place in any thing connected to Vaisnavaism. Oh really huh... No one can joke in a sexual way huh, what BS! Then how come you revealed all your sexcapades and even three way sex in your writings? Pretend hypocritical morality I say  |
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Post by JD33 on Apr 8, 2009 11:13:20 GMT -6
Etiquette? Isn't it a breach of etiquette to expect to teach one's seniors? Why shouldn't one teach one's elders? Just because someone is an elder does not mean that he or she knows everything. If you are talking about elder in the sense of guru, that holds true as well. A guru may know a great deal about the sacred, but may be a complete idiot in other more practical matters. Etiquette may be one of those matters. If one's guru is really illuminated she or he will welcome such instruction, recognizing that the samasti guru is larger than any individual and can speak through anyone or any aspect of the world. This attitude about not being able to teach the guru is a fine example of one of those memes that IGM promotes and that has to be flushed away once one joins the real Vaisnava world. Thank you Nitai Dassji for the above remarks! and thank you Guest for your contributions here...... I hope you continue here....... I just came back from being on the road and was unaware of this thread and yet wanted to comment on this right away before moving on with the thread....... apparently there is alot still to read. |
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Post by JD33 on Apr 8, 2009 11:46:23 GMT -6
Well it held its own for awhile before getting out of hand - what can one expect. Guest - is it time to take the mystery out of the source of the 4 questions? They are available through "The Work" of Byron Katie = www.thework.com/index.aspThis is just to present to people who might not be able to get you to their area for your facilitation of said 4 question process. I once visited Byron Katie before she became well-known and went up there to the hot-chair - it was a very enlightening experience and since have had clients get involved with her work. It can be quite helpful. I think this website can use censorship - maybe after a few days after everyone can get a chance to look at it and then off with it so that future readers can read through any given thread with more pleasure and integrity to the subject matter. What do you think? |
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Post by AntiNWO2012 on Apr 8, 2009 13:57:34 GMT -6
Well it held its own for awhile before getting out of hand - what can one expect. Guest - is it time to take the mystery out of the source of the 4 questions? They are available through "The Work" of Byron Katie = www.thework.com/index.aspThis is just to present to people who might not be able to get you to their area for your facilitation of said 4 question process. I once visited Byron Katie before she became well-known and went up there to the hot-chair - it was a very enlightening experience and since have had clients get involved with her work. It can be quite helpful. I think this website can use censorship - maybe after a few days after everyone can get a chance to look at it and then off with it so that future readers can read through any given thread with more pleasure and integrity to the subject matter. What do you think? yea go back to censorship here and the forum will revert to NO ACTIVITY like it was. |
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Post by Vaishnava Seminars on Apr 8, 2009 14:03:43 GMT -6
I've never done a Byron Katie workshop (they are mucho $$$ now), however I have a friend nearby who has and she is a great facilitator of "the work" in her own home, for free. I like the process because it is simple, brief and applicable to every thing/thought. I think that anyone deeply involved in any type of religious social dynamic can benefit. Speaking of cult dynamics, you might be interested to listen to this NPR interview www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102795434Simply click "play" where it says "listen now" on the upper right-hand side. I wish I had known about this before. I would have called in. I think the worst thing that cult dynamics do to a core spiritual practice is take away the simple joy that the basic sadhana provides for the sadhak. One often gets waylaid or sidetracked by all of the human drama. Sometimes the best "sanga" one can ever get is often found just inside one's mala-jholi. |
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Post by Nitaidas on Apr 9, 2009 10:30:55 GMT -6
So what has been going on? Jeez, I look away for a few days, and things go wild. AntiNWO (Jijaji?) has been posting like mad, adding new forums left and right. And it is all still nonsense. That is what happens when one takes all of one's news from one profoundly twisted source. And then he accuses me of his sin.
Someone posted some porn or something?
Many of our guests seem to know each other. Are you all from other forums?
It is hard to keep up with things. Where have we gotten to in this forum?
Buddysattva makes some good points. He seems to follow what is going on in the IGM industrial complex better than the rest of us care to. It sounds like just getting those knuckleheads to get along with each other is a full time task. You work is cut out for you Vaisnava Seminar. But like he says, why bother? Perhaps there are some fringies, though, who have not been thoroughly memed yet.
Forget about forging any kind of charitable bridges between IGM and the mainstream Vaisnava world. There are also disagreements in the mainstream Vaisnava world. Boys will be boys (and the girls will apparently do whatever the boys tell them). It is sad that Mahaprabhu's religion is represented in the modern world by this bunch of bellicose madmen.
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Post by Nitaidas on Apr 9, 2009 10:46:44 GMT -6
Well it held its own for awhile before getting out of hand - what can one expect. Guest - is it time to take the mystery out of the source of the 4 questions? They are available through "The Work" of Byron Katie = www.thework.com/index.aspThis is just to present to people who might not be able to get you to their area for your facilitation of said 4 question process. I once visited Byron Katie before she became well-known and went up there to the hot-chair - it was a very enlightening experience and since have had clients get involved with her work. It can be quite helpful. I think this website can use censorship - maybe after a few days after everyone can get a chance to look at it and then off with it so that future readers can read through any given thread with more pleasure and integrity to the subject matter. What do you think? yea go back to censorship here and the forum will revert to NO ACTIVITY like it was. Nah! I don't want to be censorious. Unlike some others around here. My feeling is that if you give someone enough rope they will hang themselves. Or, to put it a bit more positively, allow someone full expression and sooner or later they will look up and see themselves in a mirror or as others see them. The beast will be discovered. It is not a matter of disrespecting Mahaprabhu or his sincere followers. These outer forums are images of the world or samsara, like those erotic images outside of some temples in India. Inside the forum we reflect on and honor Mahaprabhu. |
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Post by Nitaidas on Apr 9, 2009 11:05:48 GMT -6
It is not a matter of being cleverER (which I don't think I am anyway) but of intuition and just simple faith: I no longer allow any self proclaimed Holder of The Truth out there, be it IGM or Nitai das and his theories of memes, to bully and intimidate me by calling me stupid. What have you got to show for yourself? Just bitterness and insults, like those you criticize. I've got lots to show for myself, little man. You obviously don't know me or my work. And the show is not over yet. Many more things are to come. What have you to show for yourself? You can't even identify yourself and stand behind your views whatever they are. You think your intuition is something others should bow to. Let's hear some real arguments and reasoning if you have any. Not all this bluster. Sound and fury signifying nothing. |
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Post by Nitaidas on Apr 9, 2009 11:16:44 GMT -6
Apologies to Miss workshop then. But what is the advantage of hearing that its wrong to think my-guru-is-better-than-your-guru from someone who clearly is thinking, "I-am-better-than-my-guru-and-your-guru-and-everyone-I-meet-for-that-matter? This is a wild leap of the imagination. Because one might be able to instruct one's guru on some subject does not mean that one is better. Knowledge is vast. If you think that a guru as guru knows it all, then you are sadly mistaken. The guru may know what is most important for us all to know and be able to teach his or her disciples that, but still need some training in English grammar or mathematics or how to apply for tax-exempt status. You may say that these other knowledges don't count, but they do and teaching them to one's guru may be a very valuable and important from of guru-seva. None of this makes one better than one's guru or better than anyone else. Where does such an irrational idea come from? Hum, could it be a meme? |
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Post by Nitaidas on Apr 9, 2009 11:29:27 GMT -6
Subala
God is too vague a term and is sometimes confused with the name of God. It too lacks a strong personal connection. Many think of God as an impersonal cause or worse an old bearded bloke in a robe on a throne. God came to English from German which perhaps got it from ancient Gothic. Why not then import the word Bhagavan if Supreme Person does not fly (though I think it is simple and elegant). It might be a good idea to distinguish the Vaisnava conception of the ultimate reality from the Christian and Judaic one. There is no reason to assume that they are the same. Then it is not just a matter of semantics.
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Post by JD33 on Feb 27, 2010 18:13:30 GMT -6
I wonder if Vaishnava Seminars is still with us here? I would like to keep in touch.......
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Post by maasikdharma on Mar 5, 2010 12:57:24 GMT -6
Radhe! Radhe! jd33. "Vaishnava Seminars" here. My new moniker is "maasikdharma".
I don't come online a lot though, only every once in a while. What did you want to keep in touch about?
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Post by JD33 on Mar 5, 2010 13:32:05 GMT -6
Ok - Great! I wish you would start a thread on the work you are doing......... and generally what else you are upto.....
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sita
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Post by sita on Nov 6, 2010 8:59:28 GMT -6
I find the issues being raised in this forum intresting and also fundamental to a harmonius spritual life. It can at times be difficult being a women and just as problematic being born outside India when one is moving in CV circles. Lord Caitanya has a ruthless standard when it comes to purity. What I feel is important is that we are evolving and finding new ways of dealing with and understanding the processes of Gauranga Nama. what works for us and what is pleasing and in tune with the greater whole is not always clear as there are so many aspects to this transendental network.
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