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Post by Fm on Jul 17, 2009 18:20:00 GMT -6
Seriously whoever comes up with "CV" for a name of a religion. Sounds like a prescription drug for age related disorientation. "If you liked Geritol, you will looove CV! Come on folks, come get your Nitai's Foot Powder at seniors discount to-day!."
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Post by Nitaidas on Jul 17, 2009 23:19:10 GMT -6
There is no kinder an gentler Nitai obviously just the same usual j... nobody is ever going to be surprised by you thats for sure. IGM, exes or current, come here because everybody is bored, actually. Nobody cares for your compassion or whatever it is that you have the delusion of dispensing or witholding. You're just and old fart like everyone else, get used to it man. ;D Thanks, sweetheart. Love you too. See you tomorrow. |
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Post by Nitaidas on Jul 17, 2009 23:22:07 GMT -6
Seriously whoever comes up with "CV" for a name of a religion. Sounds like a prescription drug for age related disorientation. " If you liked Geritol, you will looove CV! Come on folks, come get your Nitai's Foot Powder at seniors discount to-day!." Right! GV is so much better. I've also got good denture cream and anal suppositories which I call IGM (Itch and Gas Medicine) |
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Post by Nitaidas on Jul 17, 2009 23:27:54 GMT -6
So what are the traits in the ex-IGMer profile? 1. They almost invariably think they are special is some way. This is manifested in several ways: a. they think they receive messages from Paramatma (!!!) b. they think they don't need a guru or sadhu-sanga c. they think they can have a direct relationship with R and K d. they think that none of the ordinary rules and practices apply to them. e they respond to efforts to help them as condescension f. they think that without method or practice they can gain siddhi g. they think they can have it sooner rather than later What are some of the other traits I have missed? All-in-all, it is a sad state of affairs. I wonder if it is possible any longer to make a genuine bhakta out of an ex-IGMer? As an ex-IGMer I can honestly say that a - g do not apply to me or recognize myself in them. Whether it is possible to make a genuine bhakta out of an ex-IGMer I have no idea. You probably only mean a CV-bhakta anyway, I suppose. How much time did you do, brother? And what was your crime? How did you manage to escape? And what has become of you? Do you mind sharing with us, Gerardji? |
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Post by Nitaidas on Jul 17, 2009 23:32:37 GMT -6
There is no kinder an gentler Nitai obviously just the same usual j... nobody is ever going to be surprised by you thats for sure. IGM, exes or current, come here because everybody is bored, actually. Nobody cares for your compassion or whatever it is that you have the delusion of dispensing or witholding. You're just and old fart like everyone else, get used to it man. ;D Ah! Senility. Forgot that you said this four minutes ago, did you? |
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Post by gerard on Jul 18, 2009 9:53:16 GMT -6
How much time did you do, brother? And what was your crime? How did you manage to escape? And what has become of you? Do you mind sharing with us, Gerardji? Usually I wouldn't mind sharing, but entering this forum is like entering a mine-field, so I'll be careful. At age 18 I ran into ISKCON Boston and Prabhupad (that was in 1970), liked the kirtan but found Prabhupad's "philosophy" too simplistic and too black and white and I was not very impressed by him personally; was into Zen for years; early 80s I read Ramayana (Valmiki and Tulsidas) and especially liked Tulsidas Goswami's Rama-bhakti. But it was not possible then for me to get into Rama-bhakti. As alternative I remembered GV and received initiation from Srila Sridhara Maharaj in '86. Was active GV till '92. After that I received initiation into the Sita-Gayatri from Sadhu Rama Giri of Kathmandu and in the last few years I'm looking into Anthroposophy in combination with Vaisnavism, as shown in my last posts on Rabindranath Tagore. |
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Post by Nitaidas on Jul 19, 2009 10:26:05 GMT -6
How much time did you do, brother? And what was your crime? How did you manage to escape? And what has become of you? Do you mind sharing with us, Gerardji? Usually I wouldn't mind sharing, but entering this forum is like entering a mine-field, so I'll be careful. At age 18 I ran into ISKCON Boston and Prabhupad (that was in 1970), liked the kirtan but found Prabhupad's "philosophy" too simplistic and too black and white and I was not very impressed by him personally; was into Zen for years; early 80s I read Ramayana (Valmiki and Tulsidas) and especially liked Tulsidas Goswami's Rama-bhakti. But it was not possible then for me to get into Rama-bhakti. As alternative I remembered GV and received initiation from Srila Sridhara Maharaj in '86. Was active GV till '92. After that I received initiation into the Sita-Gayatri from Sadhu Rama Giri of Kathmandu and in the last few years I'm looking into Anthroposophy in combination with Vaisnavism, as shown in my last posts on Rabindranath Tagore. Interesting journey, gerard. Are you happy with where you are now? Or, are you still searching? What do you think you have gained from your stint in IGM? Don't worry about mines. This is the gentler, kinder Nitai speaking. I am genuinely curious about the experiences, both good and bad, of others on similar journeys. |
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Post by curious testmonger on Jul 20, 2009 14:02:27 GMT -6
Lurk, lurk, lurking through cyberspace. IGM is behind me, before me uncharted territories.
And behold, a self-check test, lying peacefully on the green pastures of Caitanya Symposium! Let's check it.
a. they think they receive messages from Paramatma (!!!)
Definitely. But then, so does everyone else, so I'm not special here. That's why Paramatma sits there in the hearts, or not?
b. they think they don't need a guru or sadhu-sanga
That fits. There is not much I agree with Buddy (he seems to be the reference point for unorthodoxy), but that is a point where I do.
Maybe I need to be specific here - guru is needed, diksa as meant by the Gaudiyas isn't. The guru I speak about is the person who transmit you the knowledge about the existence and nature of Radha and Krishna and prompts you to begin associating with Them. You won't do it by yourself, but in some cases, even They Themselves come to prop you up.
c. they think they can have a direct relationship with R and K
Probably fits, depending on the meanings of the words "direct" and "relationship". But sooner or later (see g.!) all the possible meanings will appear.
d. they think that none of the ordinary rules and practices apply to them.
Doesn't fit. I am a moral being, and They want me to remain so. So I follow many of the "ordinary" rules (at least those I know about), whatever they may be, and whatever makes them ordinary; and I even follow an unordinary one - I never eat eggplant!
e they respond to efforts to help them as condescension
I don't think it is true to me, but I don't really think I am much in danger, or in need of help - this may be felt as condescension, for some over-eager helpers-to-be. (F.ex. those IGMers who want to reclaim me.)
f. they think that without method or practice they can gain siddhi
Siddhi is gained by Their mercy, not by my method or practice. In this sense, I can gain siddhi without either method or practice. Provided They make me gain it.
g. they think they can have it sooner rather than later
Soonness and lateness are relative, but I am not the one anyway to determine the timing. If there is the possibility to have it sooner, I'd gladly take it.
I definitely know that my above opinions are not shastric, and I won't try to support them with shastric quotes.
All-in-all, it is a sad state of affairs. I wonder if it is possible any longer to make a genuine bhakta out of an ex-IGMer?
You are an ex-IGMer too - then it is you who should know this. Maybe They are able to do that.
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