Could anyone please translate?

[kd91]

May i request any of our scholars learned in Sanskrit to translate this for us kindly? RRSN Verse 82.

[kd91]

Here are the other translations.

পূর্ব্বকথিত শ্রীরাধাদাস্য-তন্ময়-প্রাপ্ত মহদ্গণ ভুজমূলে শংখচক্রাদি চিহ্ন ধারণ যদি না করেন, ললাটে বিচিত্র শ্রীহরিমন্দির-রচনা যদি না করেন, সুশোভনা তুলসীমালিকা কণ্ঠে যদি ধারণ না করেন তথাপি শ্রীরাধাচরণে-গরিষ্ঠ-ভজন-প্রভাবে তাঁহারা মহদ্বুদ্ধি-সম্পন্ন ইহা জানিতে হইবে। (শ্রীগৌরসুন্দর দাস)

গুরুভজনবলে বা রাগভজনের গরীমায় যাহারা বাহুমূলে শংখচক্রাদি মুদ্রা-ধারণ করে না, ললাটে বিচিত্র হরিমন্দির তিলক-রচনা করে না, কিম্বা কণ্ঠে তুলসীমালা ধারণ করে না, ইহলোকে সেই মহা অবুদ্ধি কাহারা? তাহাদের পরিচয় দান দুষ্কর--ইহাই ভাবার্থ। (শ্রী অনন্ত দাস)

Who are those rare intelligent people, who, by the power of great worship (complete absorption), do not write the symbols of conch and cakra on their shoulders, do not make the temple of the Lord on their forehead and do not place the shining tulasi beads on their necks? (Bhanu Maharaj)

Who are these fools who, because of their spiritual master's order, do not mark their shoulders with the conch, cakra, and other symbols, do not draw a temple of Sri Hari on their foreheads, and do not wear glorious tulasi necklaces around their necks? (KD)

[Nityānanda dāsa]

Advaita Das-ji's translation is:

Who in this world are those unintelligent persons who do not mark their shoulders with the signs of the disc and the conchshell of Lord Viṣṇu, who do not make a wonderful temple of Lord Hari (tilaka) on (12 parts of) the body, or who do not wear beautiful Tulasī beads around their necks through the power attained by serving their guru?
(RRSN 82)

[kd91]

The above is a trans from the edition of Sri ADB, no?

We clearly see the verse has been interpreted in two opposite ways. Which one is the author's intention? I think the trans by GS Das and BS is according to the author's intention.

[kd91]

But ADB does give two different interpretations for sadhaka and siddha devotees. The intitial one for the former class, the latter one for the later class.

[Nityānanda dāsa]

Jul 16, 2021 18:38:15 GMT -6 kd91 said:

The above is a trans from the edition of Sri ADB, no?

That is correct.

[madanmohandas]

I wonder if, as it seems, the variant readings are based on 'mahaabudhaya' whether it is taken as greatly wise or greatly stupid. But as greatness is more appropriately applied to wise, although I suppose one can be greatly stupid, there is nothing really great about being stupid. But, I am a great fool. hahahahaha Bhanu Swami seems to me the best interpretation, as it strange to suggest that relying on the guru's auspices, the practitioner should neglect certain articles, but rather due to absorption they may forget to wear the external display of piety.
Still, like Kd91, it would be good to know what the author's actual intention was, or if he intended it to be somewhat ambiguous, which they sometimes do, to leave posterity to argue over it.
It reminds me somewhat of the reading in Upadesamrta, where niyamaagraha is taken either as over zealous adherence to rules or conversely neglect of the rules. In that case it would seem superfluous to suggest both as that would make the six detriments come to seven. hehehehe I mean, it would have to be one or the other that the author intended and not both.

[Nityānanda dāsa]

Dear Madanmohan-ji,

Radhe Radhe!

Regarding your point about Upadesamrta, niyamagraha seems to indicate "balance" in my mind with it's dual definition. Not too much this way and not too much that way. What do you think?