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Post by Nityānanda dāsa on Oct 27, 2020 18:00:10 GMT -6
Jai Gour! Jai Nitai!
I know we still have yet to acquire the article written by Bipin Bihari Goswami (BBG) that allegedly has his rejection of Bhaktivinode in it.
I would like to explore the siddhanta of such an action (rejecting a disciple after the disciple has left his/her body) and its implications.
Again, if BBG did this, wouldn't that cut the connection for Bhaktivinode and for all his disciples as well? Would the all be obligated to get diksa again from someone else?
While we can certainly understand the reverse that happened regarding the discovery of Mahaprabhu's birthplace in Prachin Mayapur after Bhaktivinode left his body, along with the animosity and violence coming from Saraswati Thakura, again, what would be the purpose of rejecting Bhaktivinode like this after the fact?
I know ultimately we're speculating as to what BBG did write until we find it, but it seems that to reject Bhaktivinode after he left his body seems not in line with Vaishnava siddhanta. What examples do we have of genuine gurus rejecting their disciples? And where does that out the disciple in terms of their ultimate journey to prem bhakti?
These are just a few thoughts. But I would really like to know more about this. Thanks.
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Post by service to Radha's feet on Oct 27, 2020 19:53:05 GMT -6
My take on it is that is Bipin Bihari Goswami may have did it to distance himself from Bhaktivinoda's Mayapur claim. This would have been acceptable to the Navadwipbasis that BBG took a stance in support and light that Prachin Mayapur on the Navadwip side of the Ganga is the real site, based on hard evidence it may seem. Did it really effect Bhaktivinod since he already left his body and went to some other destination - possibly the nitya lila based on his bhajan practice? Hard to say. To me, BBG rejection served two purposes: 1) to support Prachin Mayapur and withdraw his previous and initial support of Mayapur on the eastern bank and 2) rejecting him after he was deceased would have probably not cause him the spiritual damage of being rejected while in the physical presence of his guru. This of course, is all based on my own analysis. But, I am biased as I would like to think this was the case.
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Post by Ldd on Mar 20, 2021 19:24:57 GMT -6
The “siddhanta of such action” is exactly this : no such rejection ever occurred. This was made up by the Gaudiya Math I think to remove Bipin entirely from their parampara and so he could get a new guru. Even if such a “letter of rejection” showed up be aware it could be something they made up. Bhaktisiddhanta said he was initiated by Gaurakishore a disciple of Bhaktivinode ?? ! A disciple of Jaggernath Das ?? Come on, do you really believe what they say ? The knowledge they are preaching came from Bipin and they won’t even admit it. If Bipin did reject him, due to severe disagreement, it resulted from guru aparadh - which makes one fallen. But I feel fallen is not forever.
I don't think a guru rejects someone forever either. Guru aparadh is what makes you fallen and it will pass on to disciple. So the letter will reveal what happened, but we have to see the source and if it was altered. Bipin knew what he was talking about. Yes, disagreement was wrongful.
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Post by Nityānanda dāsa on Mar 20, 2021 19:33:23 GMT -6
The “siddhanta of such action” is exactly this : no such rejection ever occurred. This was made up by the Gaudiya Math to remove Bipin entirely from their parampara, I believe in all honestly. Even if such a “letter of rejection” showed up be aware it is something they made up. Bhaktisiddhanta said he was initiated by Gaurakishore a disciple of Bhaktivinode ?? ! A disciple of Jaggernath Das ?? Come on, do you really believe anything coming out their mouth ? The knowledge they are preaching came from Bipin and they won’t even admit that. LDD, Radhe Radhe! Dandavat pranam 🙏🏻 You misread my post.🙂 The letter we are seeking is written by Bipin Bihari Goswami, not anyone from Gaudiya Math. The letter would essentially reaffirm that the Gaudiya Math is bunk, not the other way around. |
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Post by Ldd on Mar 21, 2021 8:10:52 GMT -6
It was the other party who rejected Bipin for chewing paan and his "caste brahmana arrogance" they claimed.
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Post by Nityānanda dāsa on Mar 22, 2021 5:58:16 GMT -6
Radhe Radhe Lalita Didi!
Thank you for your posts. For what it's worth, we do have some historical records that Bipin Bihari Goswami did publish a letter in a Vaishnava periodical of the time (Sri Gouranga Sevak) rejecting Bhaktivinode in some form or fashion. That is why some of us are trying to track that exact letter down to see exactly what it says. Certainly we know that Bhaktivinoda was originally initiated by Bipin Bihari Goswami into one of the traditional parivaras (Gadadhar parivar?) and that Bhaktivinode received siddha deha as well as ekadas bhava. We can see his guru/siddha pranali chart, which is pretty available. I know I have a copy of it in a book. But the rub is the whole issue of the birthplace of Mahaprabhu. That's what the rejection centers on. Anyway, if you poke around a bit, you'll find some discussion about it on the forums here. If you find anything good that's not on this thread, please post a link! Thanks!
Jai Sri Radhe!
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