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Post by Nitaidas on Jul 22, 2019 13:14:27 GMT -6
Most of the members of that lineage never even met each other. One can go on and on. The worst thing about the works of IGM, however, arises from the fact that by participating in the Vaisnava Aparadha of the IGM texts and lectures, the power of the Holy Name is stymied. That is the only thing that can weaken the power of the Holy Name. So how does one advance in IGM? It is very difficult. Are the evidences to that? Can you see more progress outside the IMG in a tangible way? I have not met any one in person outside IMG except Gadadhar Pran, Jagadananda Pundit and communicated with some vaishanvas in Radha Kunda and can see the sense of purity in them but I cannot see any verifiable proof of greater advancement than in some cases in IGM. Or maybe it is better to ask first, what do you mean by advancement? Greetings Everyone, Sorry for my longer than expected absence from this forum. My family has been visiting us in our new house in Colorado and it goes without saying that they have used up all of my time. I have not been able to concentrate on any of my projects since we got here. They are about to start heading to their respective homes and the quiet of our majestic surroundings will gradually return. I am kind of fascinated by this post by Vidyasundar which I just noticed today. So far in my argument, I have been echoing scripture which is unequivocal about the effects of Vaisnava or Sadhu aparadha on the power of the holy name. The ubiquity of Vaisnava aparadha in the works of Bhaktivedanta, and the other major writers (Sridhara, Narayana, and their countless parrots) is a matter public record. It can easily be confirmed. One would think that sensable members of the spiritual descendants of these so-called acaryas would try to hide their teachers' calumnies, but the opposite is true. They wear their offenses like badges of honor. Vidyasundar asks a legitimate question. What evidence is there for the claim that those who have received legitimate initiation in one of the authentic lineages (Gadadhara Pandita, Narottama Das, Nityananda Prabhu, Advaitacarya, and Gopal Bhatta) have advanced while those without a legitimate connection to Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, i.e. the members of IGM, have not advanced. There are plenty of examples of siddhas from the previous generation of traditional CV: Gauranga Das Baba (Nitai-gaura Radhe Shyam), Ramdas Baba (same), Manohar Das Baba (I forget which lineage he is in, Advaita Prabhu?), my Baba (Tinkudi Goswami, Nityananda-paribar), Krsnacaran das Baba (teacher of Pandit Anantadas Baba, Nityananda lineage), Haridas Sastri (Gadadhar lineage), Rashbihari Goswami(Gopal Bhatta) and numerous others about whom Haridas Das has written in his works and Dr Kapoor in his works (Braj ke bhaktas, etc). As far as our generation is concerned, it is much harder to tell. We are a disparate group. We've left IGM at different times and some of us have never been corrupted by IGM. In short, it is hard to tell who is advanced and who is not. My gurubhai Jagadish would have a better sense of who might have progressed furthest along that way. Moreover, those who are really advanced do mot wish to call attention to themselves. They certainly shun titles like "His Holiness .." or "His Divine Grace ..." There are many cases of siddhas living in Vraja who live alone in isolated kutirs or caves who throw rocks at anyone who comes near. These sorts are serious bhajananandis and treasure their solitude. The common theme among actual members of the tradition is that they avoid praise, worship, and even notice by others. The most elevated and realized of CV members cannot be recognized by others unless they are equally realized. Nevertheless, there are some signs of a person's predominating inner feelings. Rupa has given the eleven stages of advancement in the BRS. The most important of which are bhava and preman, the final two. Anartha-nirvrtti, which is number 3 [correction: number 4, bhajana-kriya is number 3], should be the point where aparadha along with other regressive habits end. Anyway, bhava and preman are really the signs of true accomplishment. Bhava means Krsna-rati and preman means bhakti-rasa. With these two come the sattvika-vibhavas and thus it is possible for non-advanced bhaktas to recognize advanced bhaktas sometimes. However, the sattvikas originated in the Natya-sastra where they are recommended for actors to imitate in order to fool the audience into thinking that their feelings were authentic. In other words, they can be and were originally meant to be faked. Alas! There is no good way of distinguishing the real advanced bhaktas and from their fake imitators! Thus, we have to rely on scripture according to which no one advances to higher levels without initiation. But I am curious. Vidyasundar implies that there are bhaktas in IGM twho are advanced. I would like to know who they are and what indications there are that they are advanced. I seriously doubt that there are any and that there ever will be. For them it is good business, just as it was for Bhaktivedanta. They get free meals and a good place to live. Become a sannyasi and you become fat and everyone bows down to you. You get put in charge of vast resources. It is a grand scam. All you need to do is spout platitudes and wow the bhaktas. With proper initiation and the grace of a real guru, there is a chance one can make advancement on the path. Without initiation the chances are slim. It can happen, but generally that occurs by coming into contact with a powerful, advanced bhakta who communicates bhakti to one's heart. It is a lot like catching a disease. That is the power of sanga. Just as someone with a disease can communicate it to others through contact or closeness with others, so bhakti can be communicated to others. The disease of bhakti is strengthened and fortified by more sanga and eventually perfected by the grace of the guru. If at the beginning one doesn't have a guru, by sheltering with the holy name, one will come to complete the process. I will write more on this later. |
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Post by Nitaidas on Jul 22, 2019 14:33:25 GMT -6
NITAI DAS JI When will you write more on the subject of IGM in details? Or did you write more on this forum than in "True History of Bhaktisiddhanta" circa 2005? Everything in that document came from this forum. The various pieces are scattered about here. It has become like a labyrinth. It was not planned this way, but that is what it has become. |
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Post by Nityānanda dāsa on Sept 24, 2019 6:35:42 GMT -6
Question about the CV Booklist...
A lot of titles of books begin with 'Sri' or 'Sri Sri'. Would it be normal to eliminate those parts of the titles? For example, list "Bhaktirasamritasindhu" rather than "Sri Bhaktirasamritasindhu". Makes more sense to me. Kind of like English titles that begin with 'The'.
Your thoughts?
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Post by Nityānanda dāsa on Sept 24, 2019 6:42:41 GMT -6
Also, some titles are listed with multiple words merged together such as Bhaktirasamritasindhu, yet this title could also be listed as Bhakti Rasamrita Sindhu or Bhakti-rasamrita-sindhu. How would that fall alphabetically? If Bhakti is its own word, it would be placed in Bhakti and after titles such as Bhakti Krama Vikaser Antaraya, as Bhakti Rasa is after Bhakti Krama. But the other way with it as one whole merged title, then Bhaktirasamritasindhu would be listed before Bhakti Krama Vikaser Antaraya.
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Jai Nitai Gaur!
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Post by Nitaidas on Sept 24, 2019 14:48:06 GMT -6
Question about the CV Booklist... A lot of titles of books begin with 'Sri' or 'Sri Sri'. Would it be normal to eliminate those parts of the titles? For example, list "Bhaktirasamritasindhu" rather than "Sri Bhaktirasamritasindhu". Makes more sense to me. Kind of like English titles that begin with 'The'. Your thoughts? Yes. In order to find a book more easily one has to remove all the Sri-s. I often even remove them in the text. Instead of Sri Rupa every time I just write Rupa or Sanatana or Jiva. It is not disrespectful. Those who insist on the Sris are overly sentimental or are too obsequious in my view. It is a residue of aisvarya infection. I would (in answer to your next question) also keep things together. Sanskrit book names are almost always compound word like with Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu. To make such titles easier to read in Roman script we can add hyphens, but I would not put them as separate words. There is a grammatical relationship between the words in a compound that is lost when the compound is broken. Bengali titles are different. Those can be given separately. Also, perhaps the list should be alphabetized according to author. There too one has to decided what to do with titles like Goswami or Babaji. |
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Post by Nityānanda dāsa on Sept 25, 2019 11:04:36 GMT -6
Yes. At least the titles of Babaii or Goswami come at the end of the name :-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 8:29:11 GMT -6
Jay Nitai,
Nice to be back after long time. Thanks to Neil to compel me visible again.
Just a quick note - as I was telling to JD few days back the complete list of CV books is in the Param Pujya Haridas Das Baba's compilation of "Gaudiya Vaishanava Sahitya" with carefully articulated description, short history of the books/writing/ some insight in terms of authenticity.
That is Still available from Haribol Kutir of Navadwip or Sanskrit Pustak Bhandar of Kolkata.
Jay Nitai
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Post by Nityānanda dāsa on Sept 30, 2019 9:25:39 GMT -6
Jay Nitai, Nice to be back after long time. Thanks to Neil to compel me visible again. Just a quick note - as I was telling to JD few days back the complete list of CV books is in the Param Pujya Haridas Das Baba's compilation of "Gaudiya Vaishanava Sahitya" with carefully articulated description, short history of the books/writing/ some insight in terms of authenticity. That is Still available from Haribol Kutir of Navadwip or Sanskrit Pustak Bhandar of Kolkata. Jay Nitai I believe this is one of the publications I bought on my last trip. Is the entire book a list of other books? Or is the booklist just part of the book? Radhe Radhe! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 10:18:52 GMT -6
This is the booklist of ll the literature from Gaudiya Vaishnava Canon with short introduction.
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Post by Nityānanda dāsa on Sept 30, 2019 10:33:59 GMT -6
You know, I didn't go to Haribol Kutir in Navadvip :-(
That was a mistake as I spent a lot of time there. Oh well. Next time.
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Post by Nitaidas on Sept 30, 2019 10:49:30 GMT -6
You know, I didn't go to Haribol Kutir in Navadvip :-( That was a mistake as I spent a lot of time there. Oh well. Next time. One small caveat. Haridas Das' work is sadly dated. It does not include works like those of Siddha Manohar Das Babaji or Kanupriya Goswami. Nor does it address specific editions of the classics. Our list will add that dimension to his ground-breaking work. All of the editions of say Murarigupta should be represented, not just one. That work has benefited from improved editions by various editors over the years and that should be noted in our booklist. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 11:39:20 GMT -6
That was only because Sidhdha Manohar Das Baba and Kanupriya Goswami were almost on the same time of Haridas Baba and their works were in progress or not recognized yet to included in his list ( since there were many others as well such as Rasik Mohan Vidyabhusan , Radhagovinda Nath and or Radhavinod Goswami et el. ) . He has to set some cut-off date.
( Haridas Baba was almost same time as Sakhi Ma as he affectionately called her Didi and often take spiritual / Scriptural Guidance ) from Her and narrated some wonderful miraculous events with Sakhi Ma ).
Jay Nitai
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Post by Nityānanda dāsa on Feb 3, 2020 9:12:36 GMT -6
Radhe Radhe!!
I've been making a few updates to the CV Booklist. I've decided to separate the booklist by languages. Bengali for books printed in Bengali --- even if they've been translated into English (maybe I'll keep a column to note if they've been translated). English for English books, etc. So at the bottom of the document you'll see there are separate tabs for each language. Right now there's only Bengali and English. I'll have Hindi there as well as Sanskrit. I've added in all the books published by Ananta das Babaji's place in Radhakund. I also have lists typed out from Rasikmohan Vidyabusana and Haridas Das (Haribol Kutir). I also have a few other lists of books in Bengali that were given to me by one Russian bhakta. So I'll be adding those lists in soon hopefully as well. You can view the lists by their respective columns. In other words within the Bengali collection for example, if you sort the list by Publisher, you'll get the books listed by who published them. They can also be sorted alphabetically by title, author, etc. If you need any help navigating the booklist, please let me know.
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Post by Nityānanda dāsa on Feb 3, 2020 20:10:24 GMT -6
Another 61 Bengali titles published by Haridas Das / Haribol Kutir (Navadvip) have been added. Total TitlesBengali: 206 English: 50 Periodicals: 9 The Caitanya Vaishnavism BooklistJai Nitai! Jai Gaur! |
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Post by Nitaidas on Feb 3, 2020 22:50:05 GMT -6
Another 61 Bengali titles published by Haridas Das / Haribol Kutir (Navadvip) have been added. Total TitlesBengali: 206 English: 50 Periodicals: 9 The Caitanya Vaishnavism BooklistJai Nitai! Jai Gaur! Way to go, Nilamadhava dasji. This will be a valuable resource. I will give it a visit when I get a chance. |
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