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Post by rdev1008 on Mar 23, 2021 22:18:55 GMT -6
Hello guys. I've already posted this in the Chaitany Forum, but I'm not sure if that forum is viewed regularly. Since this is where all action happens, I thought I'd try my luck here. I came across a video on YouTube of Vinod Bihari Das Babaji, a disciple of Tinkodi Goswami, discussing a verse that declares Mahaprabhu would come down two more times. youtu.be/Dj1q78NNmx0?t=1718Is this true? If yes, where can the verse be found? I've heard whispers about a certain 'Vishnupriya Charit' but can't find the book anywhere. I've also heard talks among devotees of a certain 'shraap' or curse given to Mahaprabhu by Advaita Acharya, wherein AA said CM would have to come again. What book would that belong to? Thanks! |
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Post by Ldd on Mar 24, 2021 14:16:28 GMT -6
I haven’t heard or read. Let’s wait and see what the authorities here know  |
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Post by rdev1008 on Mar 24, 2021 22:43:23 GMT -6
I haven’t heard or read. Let’s wait and see what the authorities here know Would you know who on here is well-versed with obscure Gaudiya literature? Obviously, the event doesn't happen in CC, CB, CM, etc. Otherwise, everyone would know about it. Any help is welcome. |
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Post by Ldd on Mar 25, 2021 5:03:37 GMT -6
I haven’t heard or read. Let’s wait and see what the authorities here know Would you know who on here is well-versed with obscure Gaudiya literature? Obviously, the event doesn't happen in CC, CB, CM, etc. Otherwise, everyone would know about it. Any help is welcome. No I don’t. They will show up if they know. |
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Post by Nitaidas on Mar 25, 2021 16:32:41 GMT -6
Yes, I listened to Binod Bihari Das Baba's statement in the video. He claims that Maharpabhu came two more times: once as Srinivasacarya (16th-17th cents.) and again as Jagadbandhu Sundara (19th cent.). I don't know the source of this claim, but I doubt that Tinkudi Baba ever said it. Of course, I was not with him constantly. Still, it seems unlikely. Caitanyites often say that Visvanatha Cakravartin is a reincarnation of Rupa Goswami, but I don't think this should be taken literally. It merely means that Visvanatha wrote lovely poetry as did Sri Rupa. Srinivasacarya was a powerful force in Bengal for spreading the Vaisnava faith on the basis of the teachings of Goswamis. He along with Narottama and one other bhakta brought the Goswamis books to Bengal in the last quarter of 16th century at the request of Sri Jiva. Those views became the dominant teaching of the CV tradition eclipsing the teachings of other followers of Mahaprabhu in Bengal (Narahari Sarkar) and Orissa (Panca-sakha). Perhaps for this reason, some identify him with Mahaprabhu. As for Jagadbandhu Sundar, I don't see any reason to identify him with Mahaprabhu except for the claims he and his disciples have made. There is a song Jagadbandhu wrote in which he lays out the reason for his (Mahaprabhu's) return as him (Jagadbandhu). I have it somewhere. But I don't see any reason to accept that view. Anyone can make such claims. Where is the evidence?
Apart from these stutis or praise texts I don't see any reason to think that Mahaprabhu actually came back or will come back, or that Rupa came back or will come back. It's just praise not real ontology. There is a name for this kind of religious thinking: analogical imagination. Someone is in some respect like someone else and so is imaged to be a reappearance of that someone. CV is stuffed full of such things. None of them need be taken literally, in my view.
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Post by avadhutadas on Feb 9, 2022 19:05:12 GMT -6
Nityanandas son Virachandra is considered to be Mahaprabhus incarnation by some.
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Post by Jagannāth Miśra Dās on Feb 21, 2022 12:09:28 GMT -6
In the Caitanya Bhagavat, Gauranga consoles Mother Saci, as he is about to leave home and take sannyasa, by telling her that he will incarnate two more times in the Kali yuga, and that she will be his mother in both of these incarnnations. The two times are; (1) Gauranga will be the Nama, and Saci the tongue,(Nama is non different from Krsna, or Gauranga, and wherever the pure name is uttered,Saci is that tongue which utters the pure Nama, which gives birth to Nama, and hence Saci is again united with Gauranga) and (2) Gaura will be the deity form, and Saci the earth, or clay that the deity is carved out of ( the deity form being again non different from Krsna or Gauranga, and Saci will be the substance,the wood or stone that the image is created from) hence they are both together again in these two forms.
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Post by avadhutadas on Feb 21, 2022 14:31:35 GMT -6
In the Caitanya Bhagavat, Gauranga consoles Mother Saci, as he is about to leave home and take sannyasa, by telling her that he will incarnate two more times in the Kali yuga, and that she will be his mother in both of these incarnnations. The two times are; (1) Gauranga will be the Nama, and Saci the tongue,(Nama is non different from Krsna, or Gauranga, and wherever the pure name is uttered,Saci is that tongue which utters the pure Nama, which gives birth to Nama, and hence Saci is again united with Gauranga) and (2) Gaura will be the deity form, and Saci the earth, or clay that the deity is carved out of ( the deity form being again non different from Krsna or Gauranga, and Saci will be the substance,the wood or stone that the image is created from) hence they are both together again in these two forms. Where in the CB does it say this? |
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Post by Jagannāth Miśra Dās on Feb 22, 2022 1:23:04 GMT -6
Hi, C.B Madhya lila, chapter 27 verse 47-48.
āro dui janma ei sankirtanārambhe
haiba tomara putra āmi abilambe 47.
I will soon take birth two more times in this sankirtan movement as your son. (47)
mora arccā-murtti mātā tumi se dharanī
jihvārupā tumi mātā nāmera jananī 48.
my diety form will be made from you in the form of the earth (clay) and you will appear as the tongue (jihvā) and give birth to the name, 48.
The verse numbers may be slightly different in other renditions. I also have a copy of the Visnupriya carita.
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Post by avadhutadas on Feb 22, 2022 3:59:03 GMT -6
Hi, C.B Madhya lila, chapter 27 verse 47-48. āro dui janma ei sankirtanārambhe haiba tomara putra āmi abilambe 47. I will soon take birth two more times in this sankirtan movement as your son. (47) mora arccā-murtti mātā tumi se dharanī jihvārupā tumi mātā nāmera jananī 48. my diety form will be made from you in the form of the earth (clay) and you will appear as the tongue (jihvā) and give birth to the name, 48. The verse numbers may be slightly different in other renditions. I also have a copy of the Visnupriya carita. Thanks. Beautiful verses that inspire me to be more focused when taking Harinam. What is the Vishnupriya carita like? Are there any interesting pastimes in it? Vishnupriya is very mysterious to me. I wish I knew more about her. Also thank you for all the other translations you’ve been posting. |
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Post by Jagannāth Miśra Dās on Feb 23, 2022 1:50:24 GMT -6
Hi, the Visnupriya carita was written in the 1930's in prose by Haridās Goswami. I haven't actually read it yet. it has over 500 pages.
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Post by Nitaidas on Feb 28, 2022 22:12:56 GMT -6
Hi, the Visnupriya carita was written in the 1930's in prose by Haridās Goswami. I haven't actually read it yet. it has over 500 pages. Thanks for reminding us of that, Jagannath Misra Dasji. Haridas Goswami was a major figure in modern CV.He wrote huge books on Caitanya-lila. His opus magnum was the Sri Gauranga Mahabharat written in Bengali and divided into two parts: Navadvipa lila and Nilacala lila. His other major work is the Visnupriya Carita which is about 600 pages long. Haridas Goswami was a descendant of Srimati Visnupriya Devi's brother, although I also see he is described as a descendant of the song writer Dvija Balaram Das Thakur. Perhaps the latter is also in that family tree. That is why he wrote the Vc, I believe. He was also given the task of collecting together and writing down the stories of the life of Sri Radharamana caran Das Baba by Lalita Dasi, one of Bodo Baba's close disciples. That book is in six volumes in Bengali and is called the Carit-sudha. Kapoor's Life of Love is based on this work and his Lord Chaitanya uses Haridas Goswami's Sri Gauranga-Mahabharata. In addition, Haridas Goswami wrote numerous songs which were collected together in a volume. He wrote numerous other works beyond this and edited a monthly journal called Sri Sri Visnupriya Gauranga. He was amazingly productive! If I had only a fraction of his energy and buddhi. Most of these works have been scanned and are available on archive.org. Nityanandadasji, here is your life work. Better hurry up learning that Bengali!  Nitai Gaur Radhe Shyam Hare Krsna Hare Ram |
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