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Post by Nitaidas on Jun 4, 2012 16:50:14 GMT -6
Good work, gerardji. I knew you would know something about the subject. Interesting as usual. I didn't know about this side of the the Bushes. Of course, we all know how the KKK grew out of the Masons. That probably says a lot about the quality of person generally drawn to the organization.
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Post by kalki on Jun 5, 2012 6:50:49 GMT -6
Of course, we all know how the KKK grew out of the Masons. That probably says a lot about the quality of person generally drawn to the organization. the KKK were a crazy spin off group of the Masons as were the Mormon Church and a number of other groups with charismatic leaders. I don't think that makes Masons a bad group. If so, then any of us would be bad for having relation with Iskcon. Personally, I think the Masons have done a good job of preserving esoteric eastern knowledge within a western mindset. They have a rather complicated system of advancement in each degree right up to the 33rd. I heard most of the presidents were 3rd degree at best, and just a handfulll may have been 33rd degree Masons. But Washington DC was arhcitecturally built on Masonic imagery, from roadways, to building locations, etc. And hopefully, you know what all the stuff on the back of a dollar bill means. |
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Post by Nitaidas on Jun 5, 2012 9:26:07 GMT -6
Of course, we all know how the KKK grew out of the Masons. That probably says a lot about the quality of person generally drawn to the organization. the KKK were a crazy spin off group of the Masons as were the Mormon Church and a number of other groups with charismatic leaders. I don't think that makes Masons a bad group. If so, then any of us would be bad for having relation with Iskcon. Personally, I think the Masons have done a good job of preserving esoteric eastern knowledge within a western mindset. They have a rather complicated system of advancement in each degree right up to the 33rd. I heard most of the presidents were 3rd degree at best, and just a handfulll may have been 33rd degree Masons. But Washington DC was arhcitecturally built on Masonic imagery, from roadways, to building locations, etc. And hopefully, you know what all the stuff on the back of a dollar bill means. I don't know about this. I think there is a certain mindset among those who want to belong to such groups that is questionable and potentially hazardous. I agree that most Masons are probably harmless nice people. I remember visiting a friend in a small Colorado town when I was younger. Once when we were returning home she spotted a fellow across the street getting out of his car and she whispered to me in a very respectful tone "He is the Grand Master of Masonic temple." He was just this little frail guy who was struggling to get out of his car without a walker which his wife was trying to retrieve from the trunk of the car. What surprised me the most was my friend's awe and reverence for him. "Preserving esoteric eastern knowledge?" There is nothing being preserved. It is all made up. Manufactured out of whole cloth by someone who had no idea what esoteric eastern wisdom was, but who had a good imagination and a strong desire to believe he was in possession of something secret and powerful. All that is nothing but mythology. |
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Post by kalki on Jun 17, 2012 4:20:43 GMT -6
the KKK were a crazy spin off group of the Masons as were the Mormon Church and a number of other groups with charismatic leaders. I don't think that makes Masons a bad group. If so, then any of us would be bad for having relation with Iskcon. Personally, I think the Masons have done a good job of preserving esoteric eastern knowledge within a western mindset. They have a rather complicated system of advancement in each degree right up to the 33rd. I heard most of the presidents were 3rd degree at best, and just a handfulll may have been 33rd degree Masons. But Washington DC was arhcitecturally built on Masonic imagery, from roadways, to building locations, etc. And hopefully, you know what all the stuff on the back of a dollar bill means. I don't know about this. I think there is a certain mindset among those who want to belong to such groups that is questionable and potentially hazardous. I agree that most Masons are probably harmless nice people. I remember visiting a friend in a small Colorado town when I was younger. Once when we were returning home she spotted a fellow across the street getting out of his car and she whispered to me in a very respectful tone "He is the Grand Master of Masonic temple." He was just this little frail guy who was struggling to get out of his car without a walker which his wife was trying to retrieve from the trunk of the car. What surprised me the most was my friend's awe and reverence for him. "Preserving esoteric eastern knowledge?" There is nothing being preserved. It is all made up. Manufactured out of whole cloth by someone who had no idea what esoteric eastern wisdom was, but who had a good imagination and a strong desire to believe he was in possession of something secret and powerful. All that is nothing but mythology. what I mean about preserving esoteric easter knowledge is that the Masons, Rosicrucians, Theosophical Society, and a number of other western mystery schools certainly teach certain points of eastern wisdom, ranging from Egypt to India to Tibet. Its true that many times they are slightly or more than slightly off the mark. I am not saying that they are the real western acharyas of the stuff even if they think they are. Myself, I learned a lot about Hinduism from Blavatsky and Crowley and then later met Hare Krishna devotees who seemed to have been saying something similar but then they tried to tell me that they were the original. Since I am quite fond of researching the roots of things, I listened to them and joined. Similarly, since I am quite fond of researching the roots of things, I am in this forum and have read some of your stuff. |
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Post by kalki on Jun 17, 2012 4:28:02 GMT -6
This sort of stuff was completely absent from our news media. This is the first I have heard about it. It goes to show how powerful a new media can be in shaping the ideas of its consumers. That said. I don't think that this claim about Bush is true. I don't think he is that clever. There are plenty of conspiracy theorists around espousing just about every conceivable position. I don't really give any of them much credence. I think Bush is a Christian and that perhaps because it is impossible for a non-Christian to be elected in this country. I think he genuinely believes, however. Now Obama I am not sure of. I think he is too intelligent to believe in that claptrap. At least, I hope he is. As a president who wants to be re-elected, he has to play the game, however. This is the sad state of affairs in the USA at present. Big forces: money and religion. About Bush being a Christian or a Mason, or whatever, of course it is hard to know because faith and membership are generally secret things or confidential in either of the groups when you really get down to it. But certainly both Bush Senior and Junior were members of the Skull and Bones Society as were many US presidents. There is a lot going on with also the Rhode Scholarship which was started by someone who wanted to orchestrate a secret society for the sake of controlling the politics of the country. Obama is just a puppet of the NWO and most people say he has done the same if not worse than Bush before him. Most of the time presidents are just mere puppets of who is really in charge. If we think this is just hokey conspiracy than we are just naively trusting the controllers of the world which is exactly what they want. Anyone that has been through Iskcon and seen the veil of secrecy that they try to throw over the world has a perfect paradigm to understand global politics. Do I have links to prove any of this? Not handy, and in any case, anyone here is pretty savvy to verify all of it on the net, but if I get around to saving some good links, I will post them later. |
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