Member's Commentaries on the Bhagavata

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Science always has been a thorn in the side of the religions and if not for science humans would still be living in the dark ages. kingcobra brings a good example about the church censuring Galileo for saying the earth revolved around the sun. He was forced to remove his discovery of the earths rotation from his book but hid it none the less in a footnote.

[Nitaidas]

priestess said:

Science always has been a thorn in the side of the religions and if not for science humans would still be living in the dark ages. kingcobra brings a good example about the church censuring Galileo for saying the earth revolved around the sun. He was forced to remove his discovery of the earths rotation from his book but hid it none the less in a footnote.

I agree with you here. This is a big area of thought and concern for me, the relationship between science and religion. When it comes down to it, I favor science as a revealer of the nature of the world. As far as discovery meaning in the world, I don't think science is very good at that and that too is not its purpose. Religion provides a better source for that. It puts one in contact with other great sensitive humans who have struggle with questions like who am I and why am I here. They may not provide entirely satisfying answers, but they provide a starting point.

[subaldas]

Come on! How long ago was Galileo? Get over it. A lot has happened since. I think even the Catholics admited they were wrong on that one. A lot of good work has been done in this area. You know there are many of what were once known as mainline Christians who are intelligent, thinking persons. We are opposed to creationism, do not want it taught in schools, and do not see a conflict between science and religion. They deal with different questions as Nitai says. I went to seminary with a PhD who worked at Los Alamos. We look at fundamentalist Christians and their wacked out ideas with about as much distain as folks here tend to show IGM. I'm trying to bring a more contemporary mindset to CV also, where it seems many are literalists also and therefore see science as a challenge to their beliefs,

I think like many folks, you're a recovering Catholic, KC, who was been hurt by the church and then later by I SKCON which is not much different in many ways. I read that most ISKCON members were former Catholics. Anyhow, there's a lot of bad religion out there, and that's what grabs the headllines and is covered by the media. Religion has also done a lot of good and is of many varieties and should not be condemned wholely because of the mistakes of some.

[kingcobra]

Not at all. I left the Catholic church at the age of 10, with my parents' support (they had left before I did). ISKCON failed to do any real damage to me, but unlike many others I always kept them at arm's length even while involved with them. Most of the leaders never really liked me very much for that reason. I also always told them exactly what I thought of them and was never intimidated by them. Prabhupada never gave me a hard time, but I had such little contact with him, that he did not have much opportunity to do so. When I told him I wanted to resign as Aksayananda's secretary in Vrindavan, he said that was fine and Aksayananda could not object, since I had gone over his head. End of story.

I rarely even think about either the Catholic Church or ISKCON. Recovering? From what?

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Subal said:

read that most ISKCON members were former Catholics.

Interesting, I always thought that the majority were from Jewish families.

[kingcobra]

My friend and client paranormal researcher Micheal Esposito (aka The Wolfman) is gathering evidence in the form of electronic voice phenomena, photographs and video footage of the survival of the jiva after death. Although mainstream science may not yet recognize that field as a valid area of research, I think it is just a matter of time as the evidence Michael and other researchers are gathering fosters a sea change. That is where the really important work is. It is scientific research and it is revealing truths about something that is not within the realm of electromagnetic phenomena or physical matter as we know it.

[jijaji]

harisarandas said:

Subal said:

read that most ISKCON members were former Catholics.

Interesting, I always thought that the majority were from Jewish families.

Oi Gevalt I was thinking this too...

[Deleted]

subaldas , what do you think of the proposal that jesus never died on the cross but instead went to india? it is claimed that he went to kashmir where his grave can be seen even today .

[kingcobra]

It looks like that proposition is perhaps farfetched, except maybe for the dying on the cross part, considering Jacobovici's recent find of the Jesus' family tomb, which is nowhere near Kashmir, and which contained an ossuary for Jesus, one for his mother and one for his wife(?) - Mary Magadalene.
dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/02/25/tomb_arc.html?category=archaeology

[subaldas]

priestess said:

subaldas , what do you think of the proposal that jesus never died on the cross but instead went to india? it is claimed that he went to kashmir where his grave can be seen even today .

It sounds plausible, but I don't think anyone really knows. There are a number of different theories. I have no doubt that Mary Magdalene was Jesus' wife. Some say she went to Europe after his death. Or they could all be buried in Jerusalem as KC says. Who knows?

[Deleted]

Here, more on the endless theories on Jesus:

www.bcbsr.com/survey/sgosp1.html

[Vrajavilasa Das]

Harisarandas,
Talk of the person and leave thepolitics out of it it normally jars
the world. As like opening mornig Arati Testifie ( symetrical &
some in between), jai prabhupada: the miss steps on moving
forward. Wouldn't want a mad pilotin viakunta airlines now
would we. HE he HEhe. But so interesting to hear about Mahavishnu' pores contain "genetic epistemology" attacking me to hurt _ _: shy away yoga swimming, rebirth cycling. Mythocally its the sound of Be a lamb and take your foot off a Protector, Romancer, Dynamite Dancer. _ _, or _ _ _ _ _ _ _, life after stipes and blue I dont want to know you. Penthouse mag. t=1. t=2. t=3. t=4. firing in the brain has no shame. Even Lord Brahma displayed[emotive?] gazes towards his daughter. Harisaran at pella, iowa goin downstairs in the older librairy a girl looked up & said thats how we do it, hear. Harisaran' did ya hear the joke of
the arab going to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to be a crop
duster?

[hredwood]

Spoken) I used to do lots of things

I used to do things, and I’d say things, and Jesus I was evil
Fake things and break things and Jesus I was evil
I never shook babies
I never beat no ladies


I used to crash parties and macerates and Jesus I was evil
Go places and pull faces and Jesus I was evil
I never shook babies
I never beat no ladies

But Jesus I was evil
Jesus I was e-vil

(he never shook babies, he never beat no ladies)

Now I help old ladies cross the street and I
Now I shine the shoes upon my feet and I
Now I grow the food that feeds the homeless in the streets and I
Comb my hair one billion times a week and I
Say my prayers before I go to sleep at night

I never shook babies
I could never beat no ladies


I never shook babies
I never beat no ladies

But Jesus I was evil
Jesus I was evil

(He never shook babies, he never beat ladies)

Jesus I was evil, Jesus I was evil