Please introduce yourself to the group

[subaldas]

mighty said:

Enlightenment is finding that there is nothing to find, it is coming to know that there is nowhere to go, understanding that this is all, that this is perfect, that this is it.

It is not an achievement, it is an understanding that there is nothing to achieve, you are already there and you have never been away. No Heaven, No Pearly Gates, No Goloka, No Far away Vaikunthia with Gods and Goddesses who have multible arms and heads.

Enlightenment is not somewhere far away it is being completely Here Now.

That's what I mean

It is here and now. It is also there on various planes of existence that are also here, within, pervading all being.

[queenbee]

harisarandas said:

There were seeds of corruption, but there was also the tendency to be the religious politician among the leadership. I remember all of those lectures talking about how the outsiders (also known as karmis or demons) were inferior and taking money from them was purifying them.

I wonder how much of that if not all, was coming directly from the core of those Western religions, where separatism (apartheid) is clearly the rule.

Given the Catholic, Protestant and Jewish upbringing of the people involved, that is probably very much the case. They just swapped one dysfunctional religious attitude for another. I wonder how many of them came out of the Mormon church or its fundamentalist polygamist splinter groups.

[Nitaidas]

Thanks, Subaldasji, for stepping up and introducing yourself to the group. I had the good fortune of meeting your guru once in Birnagar. It was a great experience. Somewhere around here I have a letter from him. He filled in many of the gaps in my knowledge about initiation and standing of his older brother. He gave me some books and informed me that he had many unpublished manuscripts of Bhaktivinode Thakur's in the almirahs in his room. I was fascinated and wondered what other treasures might be kept there. Any idea where those mss are these days?

Anyway, thanks for introducing yourself. Who's next? Kingcobra? Goddess? Madanmohan? Mightymouse?

[Nitaidas]

Oops, Sorry. I just noticed that kingcobra has already done his introd.

[Nitaidas]

mighty said:

subaldas, I guess it doesn't matter if you call yourself a Guru or Spiritual Teacher, what I really want to know is are you enlightened?

Have you attained enlightenment?

What kind of a silly question is this? Since when does a guru need to be enlightened?

[Nitaidas]

mighty said:

Enlightenment is finding that there is nothing to find, it is coming to know that there is nowhere to go, understanding that this is all, that this is perfect, that this is it.

It is not an achievement, it is an understanding that there is nothing to achieve, you are already there and you have never been away. No Heaven, No Pearly Gates, No Goloka, No Far away Vaikunthia with Gods and Goddesses who have multible arms and heads.

Enlightenment is not somewhere far away it is being completely Here Now.

That's what I mean

What kind of horse-crap is this? This isn't enlightenment. Who says this is enlightenment? Ramdass? Babba Freejohn? This sounds like a new age ad for underwear or perhaps the emperor's new clothes. Get yours now, you will never know you are wearing them!

[mightymouse]

Since when is enlightenment defined as what you people in CV think? Your act as if your limited belief system from west bengal that worships humans as god is the be all and end all of spiritual thought.

You think enlightenment is complete hypnosis of yourselves into thinking your females wearing saris...hilarious!

You guys crack me up

[mightymouse]

admin said:

mighty said:

subaldas, I guess it doesn't matter if you call yourself a Guru or Spiritual Teacher, what I really want to know is are you enlightened?

Have you attained enlightenment?

What kind of a silly question is this? Since when does a guru need to be enlightened?

No one said he needed to me enlightened to be a Guru, the question was "Are You Enlightened" DUH

I think you better get back to imagining yourself as having a yoni ;D

[JD33]

Hi Mightymouse,

I know it is wrong of me to step in at this time - but the real CV is a very rich and deep experiential path. Most of the Western people here and other places on the internet don't know the CV path, as they are indocrinated with made up ideas and attitudes, etc from made up newly created cults that think they represent the CV path.

It is common knowledge that Iskon and its parent Gaudiya Math are not on the CV path. They have barrowed from several sources and put together their own thing for all the good and for sure bad, they have done in the name of CV.

But I humble implore you not to mistake all this for the actual CV Tradition. Even the people who put the grandparent of this ignoble, highly questionable, prostalizing cult, on a pedistal; has been on the fringes and later purged out of the original Tradition itself.

The CV Tradition is a very beautiful experiential Tradition laying out a wonderfully exhilirating path that leads its practioners through the many levels of True Realization and beyond to other levels not commonly realized. The CV Tradition does not hold that one can get the highest realization here in this human body anyway, and lead the practioner through the levels of what some call 'Enlightenment' - the type that can be realized while earthly embodied - buy beyond that - as I have mentiond before. There are other powerful dedicated Traditions that have simular understanding - like Mystic Judiasm, Tibetan Buddhist, and the Sikhs, etc.

[Nitaidas]

mightymouse said:

admin said:

What kind of a silly question is this? Since when does a guru need to be enlightened?

No one said he needed to me enlightened to be a Guru, the question was "Are You Enlightened" DUH

I think you better get back to imagining yourself as having a yoni ;D

Well there is a double duh here, isn't there? If he were enlightened in the way you defined it, he would not be able to function here in this forum or in any capacity whatsoever. He would just be a lump going "wow!" So you must have known he wasn't enlightened in that way, and yet you asked the question anyway. That is a real duh, baba. I think you must be half-enlightened yourself. A little more and you will be an enlightened stone. You can have your disfunctional enlightenment, baba. I'll keep my yoni.

[Nitaidas]

mightymouse said:

Since when is enlightenment defined as what you people in CV think? Your act as if your limited belief system from west bengal that worships humans as god is the be all and end all of spiritual thought.

You think enlightenment is complete hypnosis of yourselves into thinking your females wearing saris...hilarious!

You guys crack me up

We don't even talk about enlightenment or liberation for that matter. We talk about bhakti which is an entirely different matter. Enlightenment is the invention of some money-crazed Swami Whats-it-ananda, brown little men in kurtas and dhotis who only want to get laid by western women. So they hoist the turban on their pates and come West looking for dupes. Hope you didn't pay too much for your enlightenment. Flip it over and you will find the words "Made in China."

[mightymouse]

You sound like a 'covered iskconite', you seem to think just because you belong to an orthodox line in CV' as you call it, you are somehow free from the religious bigotry in that belief system, obviously you are not.

You may as well refer to any understanding of spiritual enlightenment outside your own as 'Bogus' or any others outside your closed system as 'Bogi Yogis'.

By spiritual enlightenment I mean a man's becoming conscious through personal experience of the ultimate nature of his inner being. This insight breaks as it were the wall of intellectual limitation and brings us to a region which has been hitherto concealed from our view,

This view is more in accordance with The Buddhas teachings rather than some 'Bogi Yogi' to put the words in your mouth that you implied.

Mere talking about or mere believing in the existence of God and his infinite love is nonsense as far as spirituality is concerned. Talking and arguing belong to philosophy, and believing in its ordinary sense is a sort of hypothesis, not necessarily supported by facts.

Males hypnotizing themselves to become females as their ultimate spiritual identity is just plain insane fantasy.

[mightymouse]

mightymouse said:

"You can have your disfunctional enlightenment, baba. I'll keep my yoni

You sound like you may have hypnotized yourself into having menstrual periods.

correction, menopause ;D

[jijaji]

You tell 'em MM. Kick in the shins for me. I am a little girl just like you are a little mouse. I am always afraid to reveal my identity on these forums. Those big bad bullies might call me names, and that would be very upsetting. I might even have to cry and tell my mommy.

;D

[babu]

All I want to know is if it's OK to Masturbate and be enlightened, I don't care if it's CV, Buddhist or Voodoo Enlightenment!

Go get em MM