The Passing of Michael Jackson

[JD33]

BREAKING: Michael Jackson Suffers Heart Attack
June 25th, 2009 | Author: Allen Jacobs

Pop icon Michael Jackson has been reportedly rushed to UCLA Medical Center, this according KTLA. The man responsible for numerous platinum and diamond albums was taken by ambulance, when he called 911 at 12:21 pm PST, suffering a cardiac arrest. Paradmedics responded and confirmed.

UPDATE (5:45 PM EST): Website TMZ.com has reported that Michael Jackson has been pronounced dead at 50 years old. Paramedics were unable to revive the Pop star. He is survived by three children.

I just heard this news from the note of Tapas - I am a little sad and in shock - I went to school with him and also I am friends with one of his closest friends and was looking forward to meeting him again someday.

But besides all this he was one of the great world icons and possibly an incarnation of some kind or another. One of the greatest songs ever written 'Man in the Mirror' are among a handful of other quite extraordinary and touching songs he has produced.

God Bless him, God Bless him, God bless him!

[JD33]

Thank you Buddysattva. Very touching. When did he write such wonderful lyrics, do you know? Amazing how much energy he was able to barley contain as it coursed through his system and consciousness.

MICHAEL JACKSON LYRICS:

"Man In The Mirror"

I'm Gonna Make A Change, For Once In My Life
It's Gonna Feel Real Good, Gonna Make A Difference Gonna Make It Right . . .

As I, Turn Up The Collar On My Favourite Winter Coat This Wind Is Blowin' My Mind
I See The Kids In The Street, With Not Enough To Eat Who Am I, To Be Blind?
Pretending Not To See Their Needs A Summer's Disregard, A Broken Bottle Top And A One Man's Soul
They Follow Each Other On The Wind Ya' Know 'Cause They Got Nowhere To Go That's Why I Want You To Know

I'm Starting With The Man In The Mirror I'm Asking Him To Change His Ways
And No Message Could Have Been Any Clearer If You Wanna Make The World A Better Place
Take A Look At Yourself, And Then Make A Change

(Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na, Na Nah)

I've Been A Victim Of A Selfish Kind Of Love It's Time That I Realize That There Are Some With No
Home, Not A Nickel To Loan Could It Be Really Me, Pretending That They're Not Alone?

A Willow Deeply Scarred, Somebody's Broken Heart And A Washed-Out Dream

They Follow The Pattern Of The Wind, Ya' See Cause They Got No Place To Be
That's Why I'm Starting With Me I'm Starting With The Man In The Mirror
(Ooh!)
I'm Asking Him To Change His Ways
(Ooh!)
And No Message Could Have Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World A Better Place Take A Look At Yourself And Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself And Then Make A Change)

I'm Starting With The Man In The Mirror (Ooh!)
I'm Asking Him To Change His Ways (Change His Ways-Ooh!)
And No Message Could've Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World A Better Place

Take A Look At Yourself And Then Make That . . .

I'm Starting With The Man In The Mirror, (Man In The Mirror-Oh Yeah!)
I'm Asking Him To Change His Ways (Better Change!)
No Message Could Have Been Any Clearer
(If You Wanna Make The World A Better Place)
(Take A Look At Yourself And Then Make The Change)
(You Gotta Get It Right, While You Got The Time) ('Cause When You Close Your Heart)
You Can't Close Your . . .Your Mind! (Then You Close Your . . .Mind!)
That Man, That Man, That Man, That Man With That Man In The Mirror
(Man In The Mirror, Oh Yeah!) That Man, That Man, That Man
I'm Asking Him To Change His Ways
(Better Change!)

Make That Change.

[JD33]

Here's something very interesting I found online: (From Puri Dham, India)

www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1907366_1903296,00.html

[Voice of The Children]

Michael Jackson is dead. Good, one less pedophile in the world.

[JD33]

Thank you Buddysattva again! I have always been neutral in this case, hoping he didn't do such things, but also seeing the likelyhood of such understanding psychology and the circumstances involved and yet a friend of mine who is very close friends with Michael - assured me that he was completely innocent of all charges. Reading the links you have provided sheds light that he was innocent. My friend has a wing of his house that was Michael's to live in whenever he wanted, and I remember being over at his house one evening when Michael went missing, he was so concerned that he spent over 2 hours on the phone with Elizabeth Taylor discussing the matter. Its ashame the public machine did what they could to grind him down. Its amazing that with all the experts (Police, investigative reporters, etc) that there was no collaberating witnesses or other evidence found, etc.

[JD33]

I guess its the cost of such great fame.

[VOTC]

The links provided "shed light that he was innocent"? No it doesn't. It may help some people (who are so inclined) to make up their minds and believe he was innocent. But it does not consist of definite evidence of innocence.

Friends are precious, of course, but if some children where indeed molested as charged, what then of them?

Shiva: so much pressure for accountability from Prabhupada, and so much lenience in a obviously clouded case. Why? It doesn't look very sound, or lucid.

[VOTC]

Shiva there is no comparing the two individuals as far as convictions. Both held their own concept of charity, so thats that. As far as a safe place for children, Neverland certainly wasn't the first choice of parents for such. It was right down there with post 80s Vrindavan Gurukula . Do your own survey, ask mothers/fathers around you and see what answers you get.

Indeed it is a comodity of the rich and extremely famous that they can pull the wool over the eyes of their adoring masses. Much like what happens around a super charismatic guru.

[zvs]

I shall preface the following by noting that I have no opinion as to what Jackson did or did not do with children.

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If we're going to say something like:

The links provided "shed light that he was innocent"? No it doesn't. It may help some people (who are so inclined) to make up their minds and believe he was innocent. But it does not consist of definite evidence of innocence.

Then how can we say he was conclusively guilty, and worthy of eternal scorn, either?

The fact is the allegations were not proven in a court of law. This means the prosecution did not meet the burden of proof in order to overturn the assumption of innocence. Sure, Jackson did some weird stuff. Probably as a result of the way his asshole father treated him in his early years. But this was and is not sufficient to prove him guilty of child molestation.

I have interjected here because Jackson's case was just an exaggerated example of what happens to countless criminal defendants all the time: They become a suspect, and all of a sudden their face is plastered all over the news. Guess what? Prosecutors make mistakes; some are crooked. A lot of people get charged with crimes they didn't commit. Therefore, innocent until proven guilty.

Jackson's life was forever tarnished by the media circus that surrounded his case, preventing any truth from being ascertained. We will forever only have the premature reports of hungry news agencies and CourtTV reporters, and soapbox ramblings from opinionated persons, to juxtapose against the otherwise professional results of the trial. And now that Jackson is dead, we will never know.

So, in my opinion, he remains innocent until proven guilty. Forever.

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NOTE: I am not a Michael Jackson fan.

[VOTC]

Yes zvs, this point that you make was never ignored: He was not convicted, therefore he might have been innocent. No one is disputing that. But as you may know, according to this country's laws on child protection, just suspicion is enough grounds for state interference with a charged party. If you go to a social services agency anywhere in this country stating that you are concerned that such and such individual/entity might be molesting a child/children, just the suspicion is enough grounds for the state to even remove the child/children from that party's care if they deem such action immediately necessary. It falls on the accused party to prove its innocense. This of course leaves room for whats called framing, as was allegedly the case with MJ. But if you think about it carefully, you will see that there is no other way to secure the protection of a child, in fact. I child cannot represent itself, but it is simultaneously the main source of information when it comes to an investigation of alleged harm to it. So a child at the same time is and isn't a whole entity. Therefore, an individual who is really in touch with how to protect a child, with what is in the best interest of a child, will not allow a situation to happen where the child is put in the same level as him/her. MJ might have acted in innocent intention of sharing innocense and purity wit the children. But he wasn't a child. Were he an actual safe adult, he would remain in a position of protector, not equal. His wasn't the best display of proper judgment in relation to how to have fun with children. As much as an adult may want to remain a child in some level, a Peter Pan in Neverland, he/she will not, for such end, experiment with real children. Because even if explicit sexuality is not involved in ones intimacy with children (as was alleged in those cases - no evidence, that is), still, a healthy and therefore safe-for-children-to-be-around adult does not act out his/her fantasies with children. There is a tangible difference in the position of each, the level of power is tangibly uneaven.

So guilty or not, my point is that real responsible/safe adults do not take chances when it comes to children, theirs or others'.

And so it is that the fact is, innocent or not of tha particular charge, MJ became a no-no for parents everywhere. Again, just do a little survey and see. Just as gurukula became a no-no for balanced parents of devotee kids. I, for example, have not seen given any evidence anywhere that MJ actually molested those boys. Unless there was a hidden camera or something of the sort proving the act, how is one to get such evidence? However, he did make statements such as that he shared his bed with visiting children, or other odd such ideas. For an experienced parent, that statement alone immediately sounded the alarm bell that we did prefer not to have heard. Its parenting, it just nature. So, I am not going to accept full inocennce just on the grounds of lack of evidence, and definitely not on MJ's capacity of entertaining large gatherings of fans. I am concerned with the children. I am sure MJ could have done better in preveting those accusations. He could have not had his 'Neverland' with sleepovers all in one bed. That to me is evidence that something was not right with his behavior as whole. Parents, specially mothers, know that the best way to protect a child is prevention. Although of course there is never full guarantee of safety. But a parent will do his/her job as accurate as can be done. MJ came short. He used children to be achild himself. Sexuality or not, the outcome wasn't innocent. If luckily children were not harmed in the end, MJ himself was. And no one thought of protecting him, no one thought of him a child.

[VOTC]

Also zvs, a lot of criminals get away because of lack of evidence for crimes they did commit. So that objection does go both ways.

[VOTC]

I am the voice of those children who will never be molested by your pedophile-worshiper's hands.

[The Meme And The Cream]

www.scari.org/social_paradox.html

[Ekantin]

There are some conflicting reports emerging as to whether Jordy Chandler has released a statement (or not) that admits his original 1993 accusations were all lies made at the behest of his father in a bid to shame Jackson and extort money.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was true. What parent would be satisfied with being paid off and no court case?

[LS Das]

My condolences to Buddy.
It must be so bad to lose Krishna...