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Post by Ekantin on Jul 18, 2009 9:49:14 GMT -6
Malati, you asked me why I thought your idea/request was ridiculous. I would be repeating myself so I can only suggest you read what I wrote again. Simply put, you are asking an apple to become a cucumber. The brain connection in bhakti (or any "spiritual experience") is quite interesting and I think its the "missing link", in the sense that the manushya rupa is the one praised and set apart for sadhana. Why? What differentiates us from chimps or cows or puppies? Our highly developed brains and nervous sytems - which allow for more refined thought processes i.e. emotions. This in turn relates to why raganuga bhakti is a manasi dharma. Great points, VS. I agree with you in that I also think the brain connection is the missing link in bhakti. This is so obvious that I sometimes wonder why there is not much talk about it. Bhakti, especially raganuga-bhakti, is all about transforming one's consciousness. How can this not involve important elements of psychology and/or neuroscience? I would like to discuss this further down in the 'Psychology' board soon. When I was last active on this forum, I asked Hari Saran if he would be willing to create that forum so we could discuss all these things. I didn't know he was away on his holidays at the time, and it was 3-4 months before he got back to me and created the forum, by which time I was not much active here. So it has lain empty. Perhaps we can make use of it now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2009 15:27:46 GMT -6
(Re post #104) Hmmm, it's been more than two weeks or so since I looked in here, and judging from Shiva/Buddysattva/Dirty Hari's asinine response, there isn't very much to respond to. I said much of what I had to say in my last post here; I haven't been kicked off or banned from any forum unlike some people. Neither do I use sockpuppets or anything else of his crazy accusations. By the way, I wasn't referring only to Buddy when I made the point about being banned from forums but to others, why does this guy seem to think everything I write is about him? Now he complains that I treat him bad. Poor Buddy, boo hoo. Funny how I don't treat anyone else like I do Buddy, wonder why? Hmmm, or it could be the difference between someone who knows what they are talking about and someone who doesn't. Unfortunately Buddy was in the latter category this time. In any case, the measure of a person can be indicated by how they respond to a point. Looks like the ad-hominem attacks by him including abusive references to t-w-a-t-s, psychos, etc. while accusing me of being abusive (when I didn't utter a single abusive word) pretty much says it all about who is capable of making an intelligent argument. The guy is pretty much a waste of time, I've seen it for years. Responses from him are pretty much predictable. The only thing I can say to him is the same thing I've been saying to him for years: Go back to school and get an education. Now, to make this post just slightly relevant to the topics discussed in this thread, I'd like to take back all the points I made about the non-material nature of thoughts in the brain. I'm not so sure now whether thoughts (memes) can truly be considered "non-material" now, because of this article I read recently: Scientists extract images directly from brain . Although the images are not crystal clear, that they can be imaged at all is remarkable. It goes without saying that further advancements in imaging technology will ensure crystal clear images, leading to all sorts of transparency. Maybe there will be physical evidence of memes one day. If anyone has an interest in reading the PDF of the journal article of this finding, let me know and I'll give the link. You don't need to use "abusive references'" to insult someone, which is what you did, for example I could say: "You are a useless waste of space who smells like decomposed matter from a person's bowels." You were banned from Audarya and lied about me. Also to complain about abuse which was nothing but a reaction to your abuse is pathetic. I can recall in the past you stating on one of your blogs that you felt that you were evil because you liked to harm people for entertainment. To watch you complain about how people react to your shenanigans is pathetic.. As for your claim about the imaging, if you had the great intellect you claim to have you would have noticed that the Japanese were not taking images of thoughts from the brain, they were taking images of the brains chemical responses to images. This is how it works: A person looks at a series of images while a computer monitors brain chemical reaction, blood flow, to each visualization. The computer stores that info. They were then able to tell what images the person was looking at by having a computer analyze chemical reactions in the brain when they looked at the same images again. This type of technology has been further used by paraplegics in experiments to control a computer cursor with their minds. How they do it is have a computer monitor a person's brain chemical reaction to a person's looking at certain images. Then when while their brain is connected to a computer which is monitoring chemical responses, and to a cursor on a keyboard, they look at the image for up, down, left or right, and the computer recognizes the chemical reaction in the brain and moves the cursor. Thoughts are not being captured directly, they are capturing chemical reactions in the brain to certain images which they have already stored for that person. This all has to do with how the brain works with vision, not with thoughts. Of course you will say you knew that, even though it is obvious you don't. |
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Post by saag on Jul 18, 2009 16:17:42 GMT -6
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Post by Mamma on Jul 19, 2009 9:38:39 GMT -6
Indeed who can escape the blob?
Shiva Buddy Son of Blob as Vrajabhumi just added another hefty to his/her intellectual mass: Tapati of Gaudiya Repercussions goes to Shiva's blog (where HE poses as a woman) and calls for setting the record on Prabhupada straight for the benefit of the world. Whether the record on "Vrajabhumi" is straight or not is irrelevant for the benefit of the world, especially for the women who want to be really really honestly and accurately represented this time. Either Tapati is being naive, meaning she really believes "Vrajabhumi" is a woman working hard and honestly to show just the straight facts, or she just doesn't care, whatever the means, straight or not, as long as we "expose" the Iskcon that did not work for some of us, lets do that.
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Post by Pappa on Jul 19, 2009 15:54:43 GMT -6
Hatred? And yours is pure love for the suffering jivas, especially those in women's bodies, that you just have to go productive drag? You're just being selfish, using woman to pursue your agenda which, as saag has pointed out, is nothing but sheer lunacy. Indeed the funny farm is where your rethoric belongs. BTW, Tapati invites "Vrajabhumi" to join GR. Lets see that happen...  |
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Post by Barfing I Am on Jul 19, 2009 16:26:55 GMT -6
Right. Good luck with that. Vrajabhumi might since you are in a relationship with yourself...
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Post by saag on Jul 19, 2009 16:29:21 GMT -6
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Post by saag on Jul 19, 2009 16:35:02 GMT -6
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Post by saag on Jul 19, 2009 16:45:33 GMT -6
;D
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Post by Yes We Can on Jul 20, 2009 8:48:11 GMT -6
Tapati may consider it irrelevant that Shiva sees women as nothing more than banging objects - his philosophy is very clear in that regard.
But she fails to understand (or chooses to ignore?) the fact that Shiva displays exactly the same type of mentality which infected Iskcon and of which she personally and many other women were victims while adhering to that institution. How can "vrajabhumi" be good for women?
The sexism, deception, and misogyny of "Vrajabhumi" must be unveiled!
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Post by Meet The Parents on Jul 20, 2009 15:56:55 GMT -6
You are a misogynist because you don't hesitate in using women to further your male agenda. Your disrespectful comment "blow me" reflects an abusive mind: 'woman should be happy with the opportunity to "serve" me, and if they are not happy with such, then they are not worth much more than scorn and ridicule.' In other words, what a woman wants, feels and thinks is not relevant unless it is profitable for me. Its not worth asking or finding out.
This is the platform wherefrom you pose as Vrajabhumi. And women who disregard this trespassing of yours are no less disrespectful themselves. Think you got it this time?
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Post by Ekantin on Jul 20, 2009 17:05:57 GMT -6
Re post #113: Wrong again buddy.
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Post by Ekantin on Jul 21, 2009 10:53:32 GMT -6
Re post #113: Wrong again buddy. Re your fat stupid face If you had the reading comprehension of a 12 year old you would know that I was right. Not only abusive, but conceited as well. Still wrong too, never mind. |
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Post by Vrahabhumi Is Shiva on Jul 21, 2009 12:01:23 GMT -6
Tapati has stated in her forum, GR, that she does not believe Vrajabhumi is Shiva. So the theory of herself being dishonest is disproved, and thats good: Her honesty of intention is intact. But how much really? Can she not connect the dots? I think she most of all wishes Vrajabhumi to not be Shiva so her uptidy-women-united campaign "has" a hell of an ally. Trouble is though, Vrajabhumi and Shiva are one and the same person. Shiva started that blog posing as Vrajabhumi and pretty much painted himself in a corner by not admitting early on when requested that he come out clean and admit that he is not a woman. A man cannot represent women, especially if his intention is not to represent in the first place, but to deceive. Although his dennouncing of misogyny in Iskcon is quite accurate, and his pointing out certain flaws of Prabhupada strike a chord with lots of Iskcon dissidents, he does not and cannot help Iskcon women's cause because he himself is disrespectful of women by posing as one without the women's knowledge and under the protest of those who know and whom he silence by blocking their posts. Would Tapati walk into a dressing room and very comfortably undress herself and chat with one Vrajabhumi, trusting that this Vrajabhumi was another girl, and then find out that actually Vrajabhumi was a guy and did not disclose such thing to her? Maybe she doesn't mind, but it is a form of violation she undergoes, and Shiva should be called accountable for such. By turning a blind eye to the sham of Vrajabhum, I think Tapati is making a mistake similar to that of Shiva, i.e., disrespecting women. She is in denial and it will only get more undignifying for her as she keeps ignoring the obvious. She has many people's trust right now, and hence now is the time to show reliability.
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Post by The Irony on Jul 21, 2009 12:13:21 GMT -6
yeap, reliability and integrity of character. the very things she wants to dennounce as lacking in iskcon.
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