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Post by Shmekel on Oct 17, 2008 0:03:43 GMT -6
Here we are folks, it is your turn now to choose the new leader of the American Nation: In your opinion, who own the presidential debate? Click here to vote: First of all -- you meant "who won" and not "who own" Secondly -- who are you asking? There's nobody here. Haven't you noticed that this place is a ghost town? It's the driest, most boring website on the Internet so it was only a matter of time that even the very few eccentric egghead hairsplitting so-called scholars dropped out. Somebody ought to put this site to bed -- put it out of its misery. I hate to see a forum suffer in its death throes for so long. It's cruel.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2008 1:10:42 GMT -6
Hi Shmekel, i hope i spelled it right. Thanks to correct the otherwise, embarrassing misspelling. I appreciate that and yes, I agree with you; this forum is going to sleep... However, who knows, maybe a superman, dressed in a native costume, playing Jazz, comes to rescue it....
At any rate, I still have great regard for the original idea that a forum should be free from censorship and that was the main issue of those days. If I had to compare, it was like shifting from Kick-boxing to Tai Chi Chuan, which eventually, perhaps, became too Zen...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2008 18:00:36 GMT -6
Watch: [url=http://current.com/items/89406051_obama_08_a_change_is_gonna_come[/url] Obama change is gonna come[/url]
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Post by dreamtime on Oct 17, 2008 19:20:38 GMT -6
They say that every election, going to bring change blah blaH blah. in the end its all to do with economics and power. I will believe it when i see it if this so change will happen.
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Post by dreamtime on Oct 17, 2008 19:54:20 GMT -6
If Elected Obama Will Declare CO2 a “Dangerous Pollutant” Kurt Nimmo Infowars Friday, Oct 17, 2008 In an interview with Bloomberg’s Jim Efstathiou Jr., Barack Obama’s energy adviser, Jason Grumet, said if elected Obama will classify carbon dioxide as a dangerous pollutant. Obama will tell the Environmental Protection Agency that it may use the 1990 Clean Air Act to set emissions limits, according to Grumet, and he will likely do this immediately upon taking office, David Bookbinder, chief climate counsel for the Sierra Club told Bloomberg. “The U.S. has to move quickly domestically so we can get back in the game internationally,” Grumet said. In other words, an Obama administration would impose draconian carbon emission regulations on the American people and “help clear the deadlock in talks on an international agreement to slow global warming,” according to Rajendra Pachauri, head of a United Nation panel of climate-change scientists. Negotiators from almost 200 countries will meet in December in Poznan, Poland, to discuss ways to limit CO2, that is to say they will work on a global carbon taxation structure. A global carbon tax is not so much about limiting CO2 as it is a scheme designed to pay for world government and corporate globalization. “The Climate Change Control Bill strongly supported by Obama calls for an international governing regime to monitor and regulate carbon dioxide and ‘carbon footprints’ from discovery, to production, to consumption at a cost of $50 trillion globally and at a cost of $8 trillion for US taxpayers, all to be paid for by a global tax, whose monies will be used to establish a world government body,” writes Patrick Briley. (Article continues below) Obama has worked closely on this global taxation and world government scam under the cover of environmentalism with Zbigniew Brzezinski, Al Gore, and former communist leader Mikhail Gorbachev, an advocate of the so-called Earth Charter and the author of Manifesto for Earth. Brzezinski co-founded the Trilateral Commission with David Rockefeller in 1973. Rockefeller and fellow globalist Maurice Strong of Canada were instrumental in the creation of the Earth Charter. As noted above, the Sierra Club will play a decisive role in Obama’s administration. The organization takes money from the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and is closely aligned with the United Nations Environmental Program. Strong was UNEP’s first executive director. It is a well documented fact the environmental movement receives huge disbursements from chartered institutions such as the Rockefeller Foundation, Ford Foundation, W. Alton Jones Foundation, Turner Foundation, The Pew Charitable Trusts, the David and Lucille Packard Foundation, the Alfred W. Mellon Foundation, and others, including Bill and Melinda Gates, the Heinz family and the Carnegie Corporation. It is no mistake foundation funded environmental groups are now calling for a global carbon tax structure and an international governing regime to monitor and regulate carbon dioxide, as this serves the plan of their masters well. An Obama administration will kick this scheme into warp drive and hasten the implementation of a world government of the sort members of the global elite have worked toward for many years. A phony environmental crisis, with carbon emissions playing the role as chief villain, is a perfect storm for the global elite. “We are on the verge of a global transformation,” David Rockefeller once quipped. “All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.” www.prisonplanet.com/if-elected-obama-will-declare-co2-a-%e2%80%9cdangerous-pollutant%e2%80%9d.html
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Post by Shmekel on Oct 18, 2008 6:14:21 GMT -6
Anyone who likes Jethro Tull and who has an imagination fertile enough to think up the image of a jazz playing superman in native garb is, in my opinion, enough of a force to single-handedly keep an internet forum going. So I withdraw my comments and wish you well for a long and thriving future -- even if you're the only one posting here.
You're a gentleman, a scholar, and a true blue mishugenah (you might need a Yiddish/English dictionary).
Hare Krishna
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2008 13:43:03 GMT -6
Hey Shmekel, thanks for your compliments. Yes the British Rock, Jethro Tull, with its unique style... Ian Anderson on flute; it is/was tremendous... Hard to describe all the musical influences in it, which i believe, makes it a genuine innovation on the Rock scenario of those days, until now. Keep up coming and posting as you wish, Shmekel; true blue meshugener you are more than welcome. Hare Krishna Shalom, Baba! Here is more:
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Post by Shmekel on Oct 18, 2008 20:36:21 GMT -6
I live out in the boonies where DSL doesn't exist and with dial-up it's impossible to view videos. I get around that by downloading them to my RealPlayer and then watching them. The average YouTube music video is usually around 4 minutes long and between 6 and 10mb. It takes my computer around ten minutes to download 1mb so you can imagine what a trip it is. But hey -- I got plenty of time on my hands.
As we speak (or as I type) I'm downloading the Jethro Tull video you posted.
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Post by Shmekel on Oct 19, 2008 0:34:30 GMT -6
Since this is a thread about the 2008 Presidential Election -- allow me to state my opinion. The way I see it --- we've got a PUTZ running against a SCHMUCK. They are both big time GONIFS and SHNURRAHS. Neither has an ounce of CHUTZPAH. It's hard to believe that neither political party can find a real MENSCH in its ranks to run for President.
POLY = Many; Several; Plural
TICS = Tiny blood-sucking creatures
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2008 1:44:04 GMT -6
Back on business and sorry for the delay, weekends are hard for me to be on the computer. But hey, I am happy that you are able to download JT, and yes I know the pain, when living in Palomar Mountain, California, my only option for years was Dial up.
About the election, here is my two cents, as you and Dreamtime already figure out, there is not a clean option out there.
However, the "enlightening" thing in this particular election is about the awareness and commitment raised in people’s mind regarding their power to elect. In other words, remarkably many more people ( who never wanted to vote) are voting this year, which on the sphere of political affairs it stands as an enormous progress that hopefully will bring about the perception and feelings of people’s power and the consequent, desirable responsibility to follow up with their demands, as expected in any truly democratic system.
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Post by Shmekel on Oct 22, 2008 11:38:52 GMT -6
In the summer of '76 His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada came to New York City. When he arrived at JFK there was the usual scene with scores of devotees greeting him. There were also some reporters there and one briefly interviewed Prabhupada. At one point the reporter said something like, "the Democratic National Convention has just taken place here in New York City and the whole nation is talking about this fellow Jimmy Carter who will be running for President. What's your opinion of him?"
Prabhupada replied (and I'm paraphrasing to some extent because I don't have the exact quote), "I do not know who is this Jimmy Carter. We are not interested in this and that politician."
I remember thinking, "and that's why we call him Prabhupada -- at whose feet all other masters, mentors and teachers sit."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2008 11:43:06 GMT -6
Vermont, Maine only states to let inmates vote
RUTLAND, Vt. – The prison inmates had to think for a moment when Missy Shea of the Vermont Secretary of State's office asked them to name the only crime that would prevent an incarcerated person from voting in the state.
"Murder," answered one of the men gathered in the library of the Marble Valley Regional Correctional Facility. Others guessed treason or domestic assault.
"You're all going to have really good answers, but you're not going to get it," Shea said during a voter registration session at the jail earlier this month. "Election fraud."
No one in Vermont can remember the last time anyone was convicted of election fraud, making it and Maine the only two states that allow all inmates to vote. Officials in both states say interest in voting in the presidential election is up among prisoners as Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain campaign for the White House.
"We do have a fair number of prisoners who are doing it," said Jeffrey Merrill, warden at the maximum-security Maine State Prison in Warren.
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_el_ge/prison_voting
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2008 1:07:31 GMT -6
In the summer of '76 His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada came to New York City. When he arrived at JFK there was the usual scene with scores of devotees greeting him. There were also some reporters there and one briefly interviewed Prabhupada. At one point the reporter said something like, "the Democratic National Convention has just taken place here in New York City and the whole nation is talking about this fellow Jimmy Carter who will be running for President. What's your opinion of him?" Prabhupada replied (and I'm paraphrasing to some extent because I don't have the exact quote), "I do not know who is this Jimmy Carter. We are not interested in this and that politician." I remember thinking, "and that's why we call him Prabhupada -- at whose feet all other masters, mentors and teachers sit." In my humble opinion, while I respect AC Bhaktivedanta's sincere desire to spread KC, I sometimes fell uneasy with some of his statements. As far as I know, Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura was a Judge and by definition, he was totally involved with the politics of his time. Moreover, AC Bhaktivedanta himself, took part in Gandhi's non-violence campaigns. In other words, though it maybe distractive from the spiritual idealistic view point, nonetheless, it seems not to be always the case. Thus, what is the point to disproof the young devotees to vote and be aware of the political decisions of their Country, when they can positivity impact the social political transformations? Furthermore, it would be extremely beneficial to have a Vaishnava as a Judge, Senator, Governor, or any other strong political position in society. However, in order for that to happen, it is essential that a devotee should be aware of the political affairs of his/her Country and to vote.
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Post by Shmekel on Oct 23, 2008 9:22:06 GMT -6
Well I'm so happy to know that you respect A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami's desire to spread Krishna consciousness. Isn't that swell of you. Too bad he didn't have you around to give him advice. Gosh! Where were you when he needed your trenchant insights?
Know what really disturbs me? Most people, including your mentor Delmonico, couldn't even find India on a map before Prabhupada came to this jungle. Now you're all such scholars and philosophers.
The Caitanya Symposium. That's what this is? What a joke. What a farce. How very very sad. No wonder nobody comes around here.
This is Major Tom to ground control -- signing off on my last transmission. Happy trails to you until we meet again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2008 1:57:05 GMT -6
Dear Shmekel, I really had no intention to hurt your feelings. I was simply addressing a topic and the opinion of Bhaktivedanta Swamiji about it. So please, accept my apologies. Now if you please allow me, I would like to say that although I elaborated on Bhaktivedanta Swami’s opinion about politics, please, keep in mind that this particular note was directed to you not for him. In other words, I was talking to you; true blue meshugener , not to your Gurudeva. Let me tell you more, if I was there, at the airport, what I wrote above would be my doubt, nevertheless, I would never challenge him for what he said, but I would certainly ask for an explanation. Thus, since you were there at the airport with him, (and thanks for sharing this episode) I was expecting that you, as a disciple, would explain his view. Regarding Dr. Delmonico as my mentor, I would say that it is not quite right, for I do not necessarily buy all things that he says. So despite the fact that I admire and respect him, it doesn’t necessarily meant that I have to agree with all he says or think. For example, I careless about his critics on A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami and I oppositely think that by trying to fulfill his Guru’s orders, Swamiji actually did a great job in conveying Krishna Consciousness around the world, at the age of 69. In other words, wait until you are at age 69, go abroad, where hardly any one speak your language and try to manage (a 10 years) spiritual revolution, traveling over the globe in the midst of hippies and crazy people... Hence, I certainly, always thank Swamiji efforts! This is pretty much the way I relate to all the teachers, mentors, Gurus, who comes on my way, but followed by good dosages of simplicity, respect and humbleness. In this way, when considering knowledge, history, or any form of information, I actually try to deal as much rational as possible and for that reason I tend to think that everyone does the same, but I am certainly wrong. BTW and that is the meaning and function of Caitanya Symposium; to promote freedom of speech, free thinkers, etc…
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