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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 6:37:12 GMT -6
Nitaiji wrote: "My dear friend and gurubhai, Mina, you know how much I treasure you, I hope. We have known each other for a long, long time and have shared many experiences together. Yes, I rib you some as you do me, but we have a shared connection with Baba and through him with Radha and Krsna and their manjari-sevaks for nearly half a century. I half expect to find you there already if ever I should make it. I am sorry to hear about your back problems. I have suffered from similar pains and would be suffering a lot more if I had not been able to lose some weight and practice some yoga. A Surya-namaskara a day will keep your backache at bay. It is easier said than done, I know." Backatcha, brother. All of us that followed your path are indebted to you, whether it led to Baba or some other valid diksha lineage. We played more tennis than golf back in the day, and you taught me the rules and scoring system for tennis. It has been golf for me since the mid '90s, and I spent thousands of dollars on lessons to be able to hit the ball straight off the tee and on the fairway. Now I miss not being on the course the past few years because of the pinched nerve in the shoulder. Getting out and hiking around the neighborhood is my current option for cardiovascular health. "Nitaiji wrote: "My dear friend and gurubhai, Mina, you know how much I treasure you, I hope. We have known each other for a long, long time and have shared many experiences together. Yes, I rib you some as you do me," Nice to see you have a soulmate. But your gurubhai's at ISKCON do too. Share your rib with them if you like.
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Post by meeno8 on Sept 12, 2020 8:12:05 GMT -6
"OK Mean0:
So you caused the Great Financial Crisis of '08 knocking off 20 Tesla Start-ups from manifesting. WAY to GO. WAY to Go. Pranams!"
Well... I can only take partial credit for that event, but thanks for your support!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 8:16:01 GMT -6
Hahaha, just like Master Ye Yipman warned, do not share the secret of The One Inch Punch. It is so versatile and can be integrated into any strike. So gifted Mr. Lee goes ahead does it anyway?
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Post by meeno8 on Sept 12, 2020 8:21:18 GMT -6
"Nice to see you have a soulmate. But your gurubhai's at ISKCON do too. Share your rib with them if you like."
Agreed. It is not like I decided to shun all of them upon resigning from my position and realignment with the Nityananda Poribar, although some of them decided to shun me (which was not unexpected). I think fondly of those I was closest with often ever since leaving, but I do not expect them to follow my path. They do have their loyalties, after all. As Nitai has mentioned, some of them have passed away, and one was the lead singer in our band in high school who first brought me to a Sunday feast at the ISKCON temple in 1970, that was in a small apartment in Chicago before it moved into the old Evanston YMCA.
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Post by meeno8 on Sept 12, 2020 8:30:37 GMT -6
Nitaiji wrote: "Jagat criticizes me for not giving Bv more respect. He introduced me to Krsna after all."
I don't want to take a position on either side of the debate on this, actually. It was really George Harrison that played the central role for many of our generation, and he financed the publication of Krsna Book, anyways. Plus, Bv confessed to Dr Kapoor on his deathbed that he offended many Vaishnavas in his preaching, and I kind of doubt he was all that knowledgeable of all the facts surrounding Bs's 'diksha' or even why CV adherents wear white and not orange. As you and I know, he was not really a Sanskrit pandit, and he pretty much relied on Bengali translations of texts.
At this juncture, it is all 'ancient' history and water under the bridge. We need to move on, despite our limited human brains that force us to relive the past. I just wanted to rewind the clock for the benefit of those here who don't know all the history, because you mentioned our close connection over a 50 year period in time.
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Post by meeno8 on Sept 12, 2020 9:30:07 GMT -6
A lot was obfuscated upon the demise of Bv, and the turf wars that ensued. He failed to name a single successor, and the ones he did name were only allowed to initiate in his name, the rtviks. Well, rtviks have never been part of the CV tradition, and from what I remember that was borrowed from the followers in the line of Madhva, or maybe it was Ramanuja. All of the turmoil caused many to run over to GM upon their exit from ISKCON. Even the ex-wife of Jaisachinandan, our guru bon Sudevi with diksha from Baba, was spotted on Govardhan parikrama with Narayan Maharaj many years after getting her diksha from Baba. What was that all about? Did she need to have some sanga with just anyone that chants the mahamantra? I know Jaisachi was actually going to the ISKCON rathayatra festivals and leading kirtans for some time after his diksha from Baba, and he was hanging out with Gurudas that had exited from ISKCON, enjoying cannabis with him. Our gurubhai here, JD33, mentioned to me some time ago that he was also going to the ISKCON temple in LA for the kirtans. I suppose for a thirsty person in the desert, even a cactus that has some moisture in it looks very attractive despite its spines.
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Post by Nitaidas on Sept 12, 2020 14:13:16 GMT -6
Nitaiji wrote: "My dear friend and gurubhai, Mina, you know how much I treasure you, I hope. We have known each other for a long, long time and have shared many experiences together. Yes, I rib you some as you do me, but we have a shared connection with Baba and through him with Radha and Krsna and their manjari-sevaks for nearly half a century. I half expect to find you there already if ever I should make it. I am sorry to hear about your back problems. I have suffered from similar pains and would be suffering a lot more if I had not been able to lose some weight and practice some yoga. A Surya-namaskara a day will keep your backache at bay. It is easier said than done, I know." Backatcha, brother. All of us that followed your path are indebted to you, whether it led to Baba or some other valid diksha lineage. We played more tennis than golf back in the day, and you taught me the rules and scoring system for tennis. It has been golf for me since the mid '90s, and I spent thousands of dollars on lessons to be able to hit the ball straight off the tee and on the fairway. Now I miss not being on the course the past few years because of the pinched nerve in the shoulder. Getting out and hiking around the neighborhood is my current option for cardiovascular health. "Nitaiji wrote: "My dear friend and gurubhai, Mina, you know how much I treasure you, I hope. We have known each other for a long, long time and have shared many experiences together. Yes, I rib you some as you do me," Nice to see you have a soulmate. But your gurubhai's at ISKCON do too. Share your rib with them if you like. My ex-gurubhais. I left them long ago in the hands of a homicidal maniac. Now they're all dead in the water.
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Post by meeno8 on Sept 12, 2020 18:02:42 GMT -6
Exactly.
There is a recurring pattern with hierarchical organizations, whether they are commercial corporations or religious institutions. The more they grow over time, the more dysfunctional they become. I think that is likely why RK have not brought about any such organizations in mainstream CV. I was once told that our Baba had over 10,000 initiated disciples all over India. I don't know how accurate that estimate was. What I do know, is that we only have a handful of small temples in India.
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Post by meeno8 on Sept 13, 2020 9:18:39 GMT -6
"My ex-gurubhais. I left them long ago in the hands of a homicidal maniac. Now they're all dead in the water."
I was in ISKCON for less than 5 years (from mid '74 to early '79), and had a total of only 2 personal interactions with Bv, whereas you traveled with him working on translations for I do not know how many years. Those events were happening on the other side of the world after I went from Vrindavan to Los Angeles. All we heard at the BBT was that you had left and had become persona non grata. It was not until a few years later that some details came out regarding your letter when I was informed of the bio of Bs with respect to diksha. I surmise that the GBC read the letter, but it was not circulated to all the rank and file. Then again, why would they? It could easily sow the seeds of doubt about the authenticity of ISKCON in their minds. I remember when I was staying at Krisha-Balaram mandir in '76 and there was a kirtan going on at a temple across the road. One of the ISKCON guys said with no small tone of derision, "That's that sahajiya temple." He later went on to become the personal masseuse of Bv for a period of time, which was the type of job he really wanted all along.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 10:07:10 GMT -6
We can assure you AC Swami Prabhu is a very elevated courageous person, I'm talking Nobel Peace Prize level at the very least on our world level. What you interpret as thee mistake is not even a tangible possibility. Occam's Razor on this one is, is a crazy person that just chants sacred mantras all day long, is a pretty goddamn good person. You should had been more careful, because other's may have to carry a similar Trumpet too just like you did. I recall you were warned of these mistakes on VNN.org from his followers long ago.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 10:20:48 GMT -6
" I felt angry and cheated when I, after many inquiries, determined that it was really true that Bhaktisiddhanta had never taken diksa from Gaurakisora Das Baba and that as a result Bhaktivedanta and all his disciples were not really members of the Caitanya tradition."
Maybe it's more about you than about others. Most people don't even think it's important or their business to go into. They're laidback or more liberal.
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Post by Nitaidas on Sept 13, 2020 12:18:55 GMT -6
" I felt angry and cheated when I, after many inquiries, determined that it was really true that Bhaktisiddhanta had never taken diksa from Gaurakisora Das Baba and that as a result Bhaktivedanta and all his disciples were not really members of the Caitanya tradition." Maybe it's more about you than about others. Most people don't even think it's important or their business to go into. They're laidback or more liberal. This is not really a website for ISKCON followers nor is it a place where we want to waste words on ISKCON or the Gaudiya Math. Every word spent on IGM is a word not spent on Krsna or Radha or Mahaprabhu. There are plenty of places where you can find IGM sycophants on the web and I am sure their tushes are just dying for more osculation. Why don't you go there and stop wasting our time here?
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Post by meeno8 on Sept 13, 2020 12:23:33 GMT -6
Yeah... well... the topic keeps resurfacing on multiple threads. At least there is that link we have here to all the differences on siddhanta between mainstream CV and IGM. Whenever I look at stats here of who had been on the site over the past 24 hours, I see lots of guests, but who are those people? I have to wonder.
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Post by meeno8 on Sept 13, 2020 12:30:16 GMT -6
'If I don't see you know more in this world, I'll see you on the next one, so don't be late...' - Jimi Hendrix Arguably, IMO, one of the best composers (and performers) of the 20th century. I had the great fortune of seeing him in concert twice while he was still on the planet.
'Your head is humming, and it won't go. In case you don't know, the piper's calling you to join him.' - From Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin I saw them in concert a few times before that song was released.
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Post by meeno8 on Sept 14, 2020 10:56:25 GMT -6
I would contribute more here, but I have to spend most of my time in my job search, because that is a legal requirement for collecting my unemployment insurance benefits. Then, if and when I land a job or project, I'll have even less time for posting anything. Right now, although things are picking up the past few weeks, it is still dozens (if not hundreds) of people going after the same roles being posted online. Unless you can look better than all the rest, you are out of luck. For me, with 33 years experience in the field of software development, it is like being a 33rd degree Mason, and you are temporarily locked out of the lodge knocking on the door to get someone to let you back in. Then there is the "Red Queen" hypothesis: The more you try to get out ahead of new technologies, like .NET Core, AWS, the latest Javascript frameworks of React, Angular and Vue, you still fall behind, because running faster will not even let you stay in one place.
The Red Queen to Alice:
"...it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place."
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