Multiverse?

[Nitaidas]

Another late posting from WEIT on the interesting question about parallel universes, whether they exist or not and what would it take to prove that they do. I read the conversation-starting essay in Scientific American and must say it is interesting, especially in suggesting that there may be cases in which direct experience is not possible and yet the existence of something might be proved. I think Vivekji has called this indirect pratyaksa. I think it is a case of pratyaksa combined with inference. Anyway, more food for thought. As usual reactions are appreciated.

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[cvsaragrahi]

I prefer "nested universes" or "interlaced universe spectrum"; infinite universes existing in a single space time continuum. See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum. The distance between atomic components, ie., nucleus and electron shells, and sub atomic particles, is so vast that infinite universes can exist simultaneously, separated by frequency variations, just as ones living room is flooded with hundreds of different radio, tv and internet frequencies. If one has the appropriate device, say a radio, one can perceive the radio frequency spectrum, and, if one has a tv set, one can perceive the tv frequency spectrum. This makes radio frequency appear to be parallel to tv frequency but, in reality, they are interlaced in the same space time continuum. Due to frequency differences, one spectrum does not interfere with another, just as one universe does not interfere with another, even though interlaced in the same space. Research I am doing on astral travel and out of body excursions [hypnosis, visualization, mantra, pranayama, etc.] seems to indicate that the "mind" is capable of viewing and experiencing different "dimensions" or universes, once the practitioner learns to access the frequency spectrum of a particular universe. If Radha-Krishna is the archetype for "total awareness" then, Their non-separated jiva-facet must also have "partial awareness" that may also extend to awareness of more than one dimension or universe. See:http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/

An important key, in my estimation is, "subjective verification and inter-subjective verification", which means to obtain a direct sensual experience of another dimension that can be duplicated by another person, then shared. I see a great movie, you see the same movie, then, we sit around and discuss our experience of the mutually experienced dimension.

For example, CV scripture talks a lot about the realm of vraja wherein Radha-Krishna and Their associates engage in varieties of loving pastimes. OK.....tell me, who has been there in this time frame for direct sensual interaction and experience? Who has gone there with a research associate to have a shared experience that can be verified upon returning to this dimension? Is this only a fictional dimension created out of imagination to give us hope for a better future that can never be directly experienced until one crosses the death portal, or, can someone go there while still in the present body and return with a report? According to some of the Acharya's, Radha-Krishna "did" this or that with such and such a Gopi, way back during the time of Rupa and Jiva. But, what of now, today, what are They and their associates doing? Why does it seem we are stuck relying on reports from the past, leading to endless speculation, or strung out on the "bright unverifiable future" which can only be accessed after death, as opposed to direct experience now?

I will make a full report on my trance dimensional journeys as soon as I have reliable subjective verification. Until then, I shall diligently continue my speculations and wanderings within my limited mental universe, ever stimulated by the similar speculations and wanderings of others.

Whatever this ontological mystery is, it is certainly a wonderful place within which to meander, wander, speculate and experience!

[Nitaidas]

Sept 13, 2011 7:36:26 GMT -6 @cvsaragrahi said:

I prefer "nested universes" or "interlaced universe spectrum"; infinite universes existing in a single space time continuum. See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum. The distance between atomic components, ie., nucleus and electron shells, and sub atomic particles, is so vast that infinite universes can exist simultaneously, separated by frequency variations, just as ones living room is flooded with hundreds of different radio, tv and internet frequencies. If one has the appropriate device, say a radio, one can perceive the radio frequency spectrum, and, if one has a tv set, one can perceive the tv frequency spectrum. This makes radio frequency appear to be parallel to tv frequency but, in reality, they are interlaced in the same space time continuum. Due to frequency differences, one spectrum does not interfere with another, just as one universe does not interfere with another, even though interlaced in the same space. Research I am doing on astral travel and out of body excursions [hypnosis, visualization, mantra, pranayama, etc.] seems to indicate that the "mind" is capable of viewing and experiencing different "dimensions" or universes, once the practitioner learns to access the frequency spectrum of a particular universe. If Radha-Krishna is the archetype for "total awareness" then, Their non-separated jiva-facet must also have "partial awareness" that may also extend to awareness of more than one dimension or universe. See:http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/

Interesting, cvsaragrahi. Keep us posted. But be careful that you aren't carried away by all the woo that there is in this area. There are a lot of charlatans and scoundrels who will claim almost anything to get your money.

An important key, in my estimation is, "subjective verification and inter-subjective verification", which means to obtain a direct sensual experience of another dimension that can be duplicated by another person, then shared. I see a great movie, you see the same movie, then, we sit around and discuss our experience of the mutually experienced dimension.

Yes. This would be grand. But one has to ask how much is genuine experience and how much is expectation based on shared cultural fantasies. People who have near death experiences all claim they see a bright light at the end of a tunnel. Is there really such a tunnel or is it that they have all heard such descriptions and so that is what they think they see?

For example, CV scripture talks a lot about the realm of vraja wherein Radha-Krishna and Their associates engage in varieties of loving pastimes. OK.....tell me, who has been there in this time frame for direct sensual interaction and experience? Who has gone there with a research associate to have a shared experience that can be verified upon returning to this dimension? Is this only a fictional dimension created out of imagination to give us hope for a better future that can never be directly experienced until one crosses the death portal, or, can someone go there while still in the present body and return with a report? According to some of the Acharya's, Radha-Krishna "did" this or that with such and such a Gopi, way back during the time of Rupa and Jiva. But, what of now, today, what are They and their associates doing? Why does it seem we are stuck relying on reports from the past, leading to endless speculation, or strung out on the "bright unverifiable future" which can only be accessed after death, as opposed to direct experience now?

There are recent Vaisnavas who apparently have these experiences. They are called siddhas and many are known who have lived within the last 100 years. There may be some living today hidden away in the backwaters of Vraja or Navadvipa. My gurubhai is compiling a collection of the stories of these siddhas from various sources. Their stories are quite interesting and instructive. You might check out our books Sadhu Sadhu and The Life and Teachings of Krishna Das Babaji for some modern examples of this sort. An there are many modern examples in Dr Kapoor's Experiences in Bhakti. They are of course available through Amazon. We also have the life of Siddha Manohar Das Babaji coming out soon. Some of that is posted on this forum. Check it out in the Writings of Modern CV section.

I will make a full report on my trance dimensional journeys as soon as I have reliable subjective verification. Until then, I shall diligently continue my speculations and wanderings within my limited mental universe, ever stimulated by the similar speculations and wanderings of others.

Whatever this ontological mystery is, it is certainly a wonderful place within which to meander, wander, speculate and experience!

Good. Keep us posted on your progress. My own sense is that hypnosis plays an important role in all of this. Hypnosis understood as completely focused attention such that everything else but the focal point is blocked out. Read a little Milton Erikson for insight into this area of human experience.

[cuckoo4cocopuffs]

Multi-verse with multi-layers in multi-dimensional black energy generators? Probably.