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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2007 16:16:52 GMT -6
No, make the appointment with Sukadeva. Hey just joking. Did I detect a slight 'falic-fixation'? I am sure it must be pleasant to enjoy the position as a primary procreatory force in the universe. While I am a simple mortal; I maybe jealous of those privileges pertaining to the Gods... Human nature; I guess... Anyhow, please show me the defects of my perception on Brahma-ji the creator.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2007 23:10:33 GMT -6
From what i gathered, the Vedic texts are contained in Krishna's flute playing. As he played and played, the sound reached the heart of Brahma in the form of four verses, which he then expanded as the four Vedas. Later on Puranas etc. were added.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2007 3:07:05 GMT -6
What I did Madanmohan and goddess is that after reading the verse I meditated on Brahma as the chosen male for the creation... He was the one select to listen to the primary tunes of expansion...
Shiva (the other great male) dances at the final tunes for destruction...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2007 5:51:30 GMT -6
I'm with my Vishnu Purana ( Wilson translation ) these days.. Chapter four and five of book one. I am not good at typing sanscrit. The particular creation described was done by Narayan the role of Brahma. Also the will of the supreme, as he contemplates the unmanifest world is the first thing that activates creation. The will = maya. female energy. Narayan = Vishnu reposing on the waters. The waters are produced by his own spirit. Narayana = moving on the waters. Similar to the bible book of Genesis ' spirit moving on the waters. So Brahma in this case is Vishnu tattwa. Time (kala) is also a form of Vishnu. So Kala determines the duration of Brahma's life. Amazing. Yes we know you are elevated enough to read the mind of Brahma, Harisharanji. I'll nominate you for the post sometime. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2007 6:28:34 GMT -6
When the elements like ether, wind, light, water, earth combine they form one mass unit in the shape of an egg. This symbolic egg is recognised in the ancient faiths of Syrians, Persians and Egyptians and Greeks. This egg expands and rests on the waters of the vast ocean, Brahma enters this egg and does his thing.So far Narayan has not yet injected the jivas who are resting in his body into creation. He will do so after by his glance, when he is satisfied with Brahma's work. If I am wrong I ask the great seers to correct me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2007 9:21:53 GMT -6
Hey thanks for the offering goddess, I will not forget about you when creating, I will make sure that you continue to be a goddess Talking about meditation, I think that Who actually enters inside that egg is the purusha-avatara, Garbodakashayi Vishnu. Brahma was born from the lotus on His navel. Garbodakashay-Vishnu is reposing (on Sesa-Naga) on the waters of that universe and later, after satisfying Vishnu for a hundred celestial years in meditation, Brahma then enters inside the whorl of that lotus flower: Text 8
Entering into that whorl of the lotus, in his activities encouraged by the Supreme Lord, he divided the one into three worlds and from that He could create the fourteen of them [see also 2.5.42].
Thus engaged in the service of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Brahmâ entered into the whorl of the lotus, and as it spread all over the universe he divided it into three divisions of worlds and later into fourteen divisions. www.srimadbhagavatam.org/canto3/chapter10.htmlCorrections are welcome.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2007 12:14:38 GMT -6
I'm trying to soak in the scene. Vishnu Purana is not so explicit. Brahma appears form Vishnu's navel. Isn't G.Vishnu lying on an ocean instead being inside of a egg?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2007 16:56:53 GMT -6
That ocean is suppose to be His own perspiration. Once situated there, lying on Annata-Sesa, Brahma takes birth on the lotus that grows from Vishnu's navel. Each egg is one of limitless universes inside the material nature. SB 2.5.35: The Lord [Maha-Visnu], although lying in the Causal Ocean, came out of it, and dividing Himself as Hiranyagarbha, He entered into each universe and assumed the virat-rupa, with thousands of legs, arms, mouths, heads, etc.
SB 2.5.36: Great philosophers imagine that the complete planetary systems in the universe are displays of the different upper and lower limbs of the universal body of the Lord.vedabase.net/sb/2/5/en2This Hiranyagarbha is the Father of Brahma, also known as Garbodakashayi Vishnu.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2007 1:24:38 GMT -6
Sure, such a beautiful vision, right? However, I wonder what Nitai-ji, Kingcobra-ji, Subal-ji and others think about all these "Vedic" ideas that surrounds the fathomless creation, anyway...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2007 12:24:15 GMT -6
I am sure they like it, but I am just wondering what would may be their scholastic perspectives...
What about you Madanmohan-ji, and goddess how do you really feel about this transcendental vision exposed by VP and BP.
Could it actually be expressed through science, terms and thoughts of a secular civilization?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2007 14:06:12 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Madanmohan-ji.
You do not have to be cautious or afraid of being expelled from this website, it is an unrestrictive right that all members enjoy here.
I know the website you are talking about. It is really embarrassing and almost unthinkable to have to witness how a webmaster, who lives in the heart of 21 century society is but grotesquely dealing with the public.
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Post by subaldas on Jul 26, 2007 18:22:44 GMT -6
Sure, such a beautiful vision, right? However, I wonder what Nitai-ji, Kingcobra-ji, Subal-ji and others think about all these "Vedic" ideas that surrounds the fathomless creation, anyway... They are beautiful myths that address the vast scope of creation both in terms of time and space. However, as you can see from the different descriptions found in the different Puranas and other Vedic literatures, that they are not actual descriptions per se of what took place at creation. To take them literally and not accept scientific evidence thinking you know better than the scientists is about as foolish as the Christian creationists who want their biblical accounts taught as equal to science. They also have two contradictory stories in Genesis 1& 2. Which is right? For more on the subject, see "The Beginning" in the Poetry section.
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Post by Guest on Jul 26, 2007 19:45:20 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Madanmohan-ji. You do not have to be cautious or afraid of being expelled from this website, it is an unrestrictive right that all members enjoy here. I know the website you are talking about. It is really embarrassing and almost unthinkable to have to witness how a webmaster, who lives in the heart of 21 century society is but grotesquely dealing with the public. What is embarrassing is how you and Nitai run around on everyone else's forum throwing tantrums then start your own and put on this false facade of clam and peace which is entirely different from how you both have behaved for years, a tad hypocritical I'd say.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2007 19:51:34 GMT -6
Scientific evidence is fallible. Even the cosmonaut Chandra Williams took her ancient 'outdated' Bhagawat Gita with her for meditation, when she spent 3 months in space just recently. I will post some of the thoughts of Neale De Grasse, astrophysisist, and director of NY's Hayden Planetorium. I have his book called Origins, Fourteen Billion years of Cosmic Evolution. In his last chapter, he expresses confusion/ doubt about the matter. Scientists themselves are not convinced about their theories knowing that tomorrow someone will come and overturn their position with some new 'discovered truth.' Their theories change from day to day. Accepted, they can do a few things here on earth, with much ill effects, but to understand the galaxies ? You must be joking. Postings are coming soon. What makes their conclusions questionable? For one thing they are not free from the four defects: 1. The tendency to cheat. 2. The tendency to make mistakes. 3. Their limited sensory perception. 4. Delusion.
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Post by kingcobra on Jul 26, 2007 20:46:52 GMT -6
Those 4 defects are accepted in the science community as much as they are in the 6 darshans. Science by definition is about continued probing for answers to mysteries. Religion also ponders mysteries, but not all mysteries are so easily penetrated.
Religious leaders only balk at scientific discovery when it challenges their authority, since it makes it difficult to control their followers if those followers question doctrines that give them absolute power as little dictators over their flocks. The Catholic Church really has no problem with the shape of the earth. The discovery that the earth is in fact a globe is no more a threat to the teachings of the 4 gospels than the discovery that cross breeding blue corn with white corn can produce ears of corn that have both blue and white kernels. It was a political issue. If people looked to Galileo for leadership as far as knowledge, then they might not have as much respect for the Pope, and heaven forbid they respect him even more than the Pope.
CV is NOT about literal interpretation of the corpus of Sanskrit texts, anymore than Christianity took the Biblical accounts literally until very recently. Why are the legends of European knights slaying fire breathing dragons viewed as mere fantasy by some Americans that are so willing to accept descriptions of 800 mile long timingila fish in the oceans as depicted in the Puranas as factual?
This so-called "debate" between religion and science is no more than a tempest in a tea kettle, and more like the steam coming out of the tea kettle. It simply does not even exist, except for the ravings of a bunch of fundamentalists that appeared on the scene less than 200 years ago. Both theology and science are based on philosophy. If you don't believe me, then read the works of Aristotle, Kant, Des Cartes, Hume, Berkeley, Locke and Leibnitz. The whole field of scientific research was based on their writings.
OK, now put away your chemistry sets and do some bhajan, because it is getting near your bed time (near mine at any rate). See you all tomorrow. I'm off to catch a leprechaun!
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