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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2007 12:24:25 GMT -6
Great MM! The main point is that you are insisting to attack people’s faith, believes, sadhana, through your own concoctions. Nor I and no other members here have problem to accept Buddhist or Shakara ideas, but most of it is not compactable with CV or GV‘s philosophical segments.
However, I believe that Sankara accepts Jivatma as female and Purusa as male. Thus it would make your concoctions contradict yourself. Moreover MM, if you have any problem understanding or accepting CV or GV philosophy you came to the right place, for here we have the best academic team that can provide you the purest conception of Vaishnavism. The only requirement to access those individuals is common sense and humbleness. I am sure you have those good qualities and I would love to see you accessing such data through the right channels.
In other words, you are welcome to present Buddhist or Shakara's philosophy, start up a discussion if want, but just keep it cool; easy; friendly.
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Post by mightymouse on Aug 27, 2007 12:45:12 GMT -6
Mahasaya,
I beg to differ with you, it was nitaidas who claimed my understanding of enlightenment ( in accordance to Buddhas teachings not concoction at all) was "Horse Crap", his words exactly.
What do you mean by Buddhist or Shakara ideas, not being compactable with CV or GV‘s philosophical segments? I am unfamiliar with that term, sound like constipation.
Even if Shankara accepts Jiva as female, which I invite you to show reference to, he never advocated males imagining themselves as females wearing saris. Shankara advocated atma and paramatma as one and the same, thus the mahavakya; 'aham brahmasi'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2007 14:36:17 GMT -6
Compatible that is the word. Which means:
"Capable of existing or performing in harmonious, agreeable."
I agree with you about the oneness, based on Sankara, but that is incompatible with CV and GV's philosophy, which teaches the dualist version of the Vedanta.
Being or serving the supreme Purusa as a female, is a refined perception that is not easily accessed by impersonalist or non Vaishnavas. Forget about the Yoni stuff, it is all about the capacity of surrendering and feelings that exist in a female form.
According to CV that female perception practiced with bhakti have the power to immerse the soul into total bliss beyond Brahman. Thus Bhakti-Yoga, the divine union between the Jivatma and Purusha in their distinctive forms is considered by CV to be the highest achievement to a nitya-badha.
However, yes I agree that aham Brahmaasmi, but it can be improved. And that is why I really like CV; its is really liberal, Acintya-bheda-abheda-tattva!
Hara Hara Hara Mahadeva...! Hara Hara Hara Mahadeva...! Jay Jay Shiva!
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Post by mightymouse on Aug 27, 2007 16:42:09 GMT -6
Thanks for the English lesson Mahasaya but you said, "compactable" that is why I questioned what you meant. Forget about the yoni How can you be a gopi with sari and bangles without a yoni? Me no follow
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2007 17:26:54 GMT -6
I new you gonna say that Yes, that right no yoni no Gopi-bhava, baba. Nevertheless, as I said, CV is liberal enough to accommodate all other bhavas, including Gopa-bhava, so you do not have to worry about wearing saris and others female bungles to play or wrestle with Krishna and Balaram. I don think that would be useful anyways, besides, Krishna has billions of Gopis, so you are not required to be another one. Now think about it, there is something so special about Gopi-bhava that even Mahadeva is worshiped as Gopi in Vrindavana. According to CV, Sankara is but an incarnation of Lokanath Mahadeva. "Vajranabha, the great grandson of Krishna, installed the Siva-linga in this important temple about 4,900 years ago. There is a deity of Lord Siva, as a gopi, in this temple."Gopisvara Mahadeva Temple
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Post by Nitaidas on Aug 28, 2007 8:13:45 GMT -6
Mahasaya, If you read back a bit you will see that I certainly did not start a thing but reacted to the founder of this website after he insulted me and the ideas of enlightenment I have understood from the Buddha. That is when I started with a counterattack and defending the good name of the Buddha and his exemplary realization of what enlightment is. It seems you have a double standard here, or should I say 'one-sided'. And excuse me CV and GV males are the ones who practice meditative hypnosis imagining themselves as females wearing saris and bangles and having yonis, not the followers of Buddha or even Shankara. mightymouse Aww, poor little mighty mouse. Got attacked by the founder and insulted. Where is your enlightenment at present? Your ideas of enlightenment have nothing to do with the Buddha. Where does he talk about Here and Now? You don't even know what you are talking about. You picked up that idea from some modern misinterpreter of the Buddha and think you are quite grand. The practice of Buddhism is quite difficult and time consuming. It is not for arm chair "Buddhists" like you. Why don't you do some vipassanna or Buddhist dhyana for a change, instead of just mouthing nonsensical platitudes? The Buddha's name has not been smeared here, just his misrepresenters like you. We love the Buddha here. He is the best framer of the fundamental orientation of all Indic religious and mystical systems. The Four Noble Truths. These are accepted by all. Perhaps in other terminology or with some variations, but these are fundamental beliefs of all religious traditions that got their start in India. I think you have been lying to us. You are not a mighty mouse. You are a minnie mouse, hiding your yoni behind bluff and bluster.
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Post by Nitaidas on Aug 28, 2007 8:23:25 GMT -6
Mahasaya, I beg to differ with you, it was nitaidas who claimed my understanding of enlightenment ( in accordance to Buddhas teachings not concoction at all) was "Horse Crap", his words exactly. What do you mean by Buddhist or Shakara ideas, not being compactable with CV or GV‘s philosophical segments? I am unfamiliar with that term, sound like constipation. Even if Shankara accepts Jiva as female, which I invite you to show reference to, he never advocated males imagining themselves as females wearing saris. Shankara advocated atma and paramatma as one and the same, thus the mahavakya; 'aham brahmasi' mightymouse There is no real incompatibility. The visions of the absolute differ somewhat, but the sadhanas are fundamentally the same. Yoga is the sadhana. Bhakti was also important to Sankara and became important to Buddhism in its Mahayana forms. Pure Land Buddhism is quite similar to Pure Land Vaisnavism which is what CV is a form of. MM, I was joking when I suggested you take a hammer to your head. I hope you didn't actually do it. aham brahmasmi is as true for CV as it is for any other system based on Vedanta. The Jivatman is Brahman, a small particle of Brahman like a small spark from a fire. Personhood rules even on the absolute plane.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2007 10:07:03 GMT -6
Nitai-ji:
Hope I am not going too off topic here, but I have a question about the the jivatma's nature. Does it actually posses a personality. according to CV, is personality in Jivatma intrinsically?
It appears to me that there is individuality as a spark from a fire, or like the rays of the sun, but personality, as well as Bhakti, are somewhat acquired/developed by sadhana and sangha... It is not intrinsic...
Could you Nitai-ji please, tell us something about the Nature of Jivatma.
Thanks!
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Post by mightymouse on Aug 28, 2007 10:48:55 GMT -6
Nitaidas, You are a complete bigot, your understanding of the Buddha and Shankara is absolutely jaded with your fanatical religion that worships a human being as God and teaches that males should imagine themselves as females with saris, bangles and yonis! You think your up on some pedestal far far above those iskcon people and are "the purest form of CV" to quote Mahasaya, what a joke. You are just as uptight, one-sided, and fanatical as any iskcon swami I have ever met. You may as well use terms like 'Bogi Yogi' and 'Bogus', your other administrator used such classic iskcon phraseology that I enjoyed 'concoction". Your covered Iskconites who imagine yourselves with sari, bangles and yonis! And By the way, Mr. expert in all spiritual traditions; Enlightenment as taught by the Buddha is very much about being in the present, that is what vipassana meditation is about, bringing you into that awareness, it's almost comical to hear you say it's not. Your a fanatic and I hope my presence here has shown that a little by how you react (like some iskcon swami) to other spiritual concepts outside your own and how you have to interpret other paths according to your GV/GV concepts. I have been doing vipassana and reading the Buddhas teachings translated from the original Pali, for many many years, you have no clue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2007 12:02:51 GMT -6
MM, I think I know who you are. Never mind, and keep MM alive.
BTW, I have a feeling that you are welcome...
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Post by babu on Aug 28, 2007 13:12:49 GMT -6
What does it matter who MM is? He/She is making some valid points.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2007 13:39:31 GMT -6
That is a relative affirmation, babu. On the other hand, I think that if one is so sure about his/her ideas, why not to display the real identity? Nevertheless, never mind, as I said, MM can keep MM alive; it is not a big of deal anyways.
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Post by kingcobra on Aug 28, 2007 19:55:11 GMT -6
Mice are my favorite food. It is one dish us snakes share a fancy for with primates. We like to swallow them whole. You humans would probably like them roasted on a spit with some barbecue sauce.
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Post by Nitaidas on Aug 29, 2007 7:56:40 GMT -6
Nitaidas, You are a complete bigot, your understanding of the Buddha and Shankara is absolutely jaded with your fanatical religion that worships a human being as God and teaches that males should imagine themselves as females with saris, bangles and yonis! You think your up on some pedestal far far above those iskcon people and are "the purest form of CV" to quote Mahasaya, what a joke. You are just as uptight, one-sided, and fanatical as any iskcon swami I have ever met. You may as well use terms like 'Bogi Yogi' and 'Bogus', your other administrator used such classic iskcon phraseology that I enjoyed 'concoction". Your covered Iskconites who imagine yourselves with sari, bangles and yonis! And By the way, Mr. expert in all spiritual traditions; Enlightenment as taught by the Buddha is very much about being in the present, that is what vipassana meditation is about, bringing you into that awareness, it's almost comical to hear you say it's not. Your a fanatic and I hope my presence here has shown that a little by how you react (like some iskcon swami) to other spiritual concepts outside your own and how you have to interpret other paths according to your GV/GV concepts. I have been doing vipassana and reading the Buddhas teachings translated from the original Pali, for many many years, you have no clue. What are you here for, MM? Do you think you can convert us to your foolishness? You waltz in here insulting our beliefs, practices and gurus, acting as if you are superior, plugging a nonsensical view of enlightenment, and you expect us to bow our heads and accept your crap as ice cream? You expect us to embrace you gladly as if you were a savior? If that is what you thought, you are a bigger idiot than even I thought you to be. I thought perhaps you would at least be amusing, but not you have turned out to be just boring. No one is going to buy your bull crap here, sweetie. Haven't you got any friends anywhere? Isn't there a sanga for you somewhere else? Yes, we do think CV is superior to everything else. That is why we are here. Personally, I don't think CV is perfect. It is flawed and hamstrung with cultural biases and inconsistencies. Still, it is better than anything else I have seen out there. Are you suggesting that you can think Buddhist enlightenment is better than everything else and not be a fanatic and a bigot? Such terms apply to everyone else who has a preferred spiritual tradition, but not to you? You're the real bigot and hoax. I don't believe for a minute that you have actually practiced vipassana and read the Buddhist texts for years. You're simply a liar. By presenting yourself as the result of such a sadhana, you irreparably damage the reputation of the Buddha. You show the illumination of a dung beetle. Perhaps that is why you don't hang out with real Buddhists. Your hoax would be revealed. Anyway, I think I have wasted enough time on you. You can stay or go, but I expect I will just ignore you.
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Post by Nitaidas on Aug 29, 2007 8:00:43 GMT -6
What does it matter who MM is? He/She is making some valid points. What? Taking a break from the masturbation?
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