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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2007 13:02:01 GMT -6
Thanks KC! I am basically hoping that Swami Vishnu accepts this friendly invitation, so he can have a chance to explain his theory, which in reality have been challenged not only here, but by many among those who watched his clip @ Youtube . However, yes there are those who agree. In my opinion, both camps are well equipped! Nevertheless, the subject itself needs to be approached with a naked spirit.
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Post by hayden on Dec 17, 2007 1:52:21 GMT -6
All i can say is you dont have to be a crackpot to understand that we might have been visited by E.T in human history. As many people have seen UFO like pilots, army, airforce, naval personall, people of alot of important positons have seen them, like Phillip j Corso former army intelligence officer worked on reverse engirneering the roswell artifacts and alot of our ancients had visitation from other beings, if you would do your own research you find that all cultures talk of beings coming down from the sky, maybe you should check out the Dogon tribe in Africa, even the vedas talk of beings coming down in some texts. People are still being abducted today as was through history with these weird other time bending entities.
and yes there most be a mother language or tower of babal as even genetics says there was a single ancestor.
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Post by hayden on Dec 17, 2007 2:01:13 GMT -6
And plus that was what they planned on how they covered it up debunk the ET make society think your a crackpot if you see a UFO hahahah your just crazy, no you are.
example when human comes across new species of animals, what is it we do, 1 we put them to sleep, next we take a closer inspection, then take samples. So its not that hard to understand that a ET brother has been studying us.
We are hybrids, as a scientist once said " to discover the unknown, we must leave the door to the unknown ajar."
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Post by kingcobra on Dec 17, 2007 13:12:13 GMT -6
Leaving the door ajar is not the same thing as formulating a theory about history based on space aliens teaching humans. It is a postulate that is just as unprovable as it is provable. So, basically a waste of time.
As far as any mythical Tower of Babel being literal history, it speaks for itself. Not many people today are going to accept it as a factual account. Several centuries ago, it was an acceptable version of history, but only because of the lack of understanding of geology and other disciplines.
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Post by kingcobra on Dec 17, 2007 13:23:34 GMT -6
Certainly there is plenty of anecdotal evidence and even mass sightings of UFOs flying around in the skies. However, that is not the same thing as hard proof. If they were to establish diplomatic or trade relations that were visible to everyone, then that would be a different story. As it stands now, it is just under the category of unsolved mystery in those cases where explanations of ball lightning or the planet Venus fail to satisfy.
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Post by hredwood on Dec 17, 2007 16:30:02 GMT -6
The evidence is overwelming look out at the stars yourself there are billions of them, you heard of the francis drake eqaution he calculated to be around 500,00 civilisations out there Well then i suppose the ET is a bit like god then, only shows itself once in a while, and thats if it does at all or is it just some illusion or your crazy. And buy the sounds of it they have made trade agreements with these beings, there are 100 of thounsands in the USA alone that go missing so many times, people generally don't get their views and opinions from researched information, but from an 'image', an 'impression', of how things are. With regard to missing children, this 'impression' is heavily influenced by the number of lost children stories they see in the media.
If we are talking the national media there are very few. The enormous coverage of the missing British girl, Madeleine McCann, who was abducted while on holiday in Portugal, is a rare example compared with the number of children who disappear every year.
While people get their impression of scale from the lost children featured in the media, staggering numbers of children go missing never to be seen again. I remember calling many American states a few years ago to ask for their missing children figures and it was truly extraordinary. On average, around 3,000 children a day are reported missing in the United States, never mind those the authorities never hear about. Add them together and you are talking hundreds of thousands of children.
Belgium is a small country of some ten million people and yet in the Brussels region alone it was revealed that 1,300 minors disappeared between 1991 and 1996 when the Marc Dutroux child murders threatened to bring down the Belgian establishment. Around the world you find the same repeating story and multi-millions of children go missing every year never to be found. Where do they go? After researching this subject in multiple countries for the best part of 20 years, I can tell you what happens to many of them. They become sex objects for the rich and famous; they are trafficked around the world by rings connected to the rich and famous; and they are sacrificed in the satanic rituals of the rich and famous. Others are enslaved into government and military mind-control programmes which abduct children to genetic order.
AS I SAID DO YOUR RESEARCH
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Post by kingcobra on Dec 17, 2007 19:44:37 GMT -6
I am not sure I follow. Where is the alien connection to all of those abductions you cite? Many adults also go missing every day in every major city in every country, as well as in rural areas. Also your 3000 missing a day figure adds up to over a million a year and ten million over ten years. That would mean billions world wide. That is not very believable.
What am I supposed to do by way of research exactly, assuming that I am inclined to spend any of my time researching the subject? If I were to head out scouring the skies for UFOs every single night, I doubt that I would spot any. If I did see one, then I would at least have some firsthand visual evidence of their existence, as long as I could say for certain that it was not some kind of hallucination or ball lighting or some other natural phenomenon. Do you see the dilemma here? At least in the case of aircraft of terrestrial origin, we can see them on the ground and climb aboard them. They have recognizable shapes based on their manufacturers even when they are 10,000 feet up in the air. They make a loud droning noise that is easily identifiable as coming from huge jet engines.
The question is not one of the likelihood of other civilizations in the universe besides our own, since that is not really in dispute. It is just one of the tangible evidence we have to go on. There are claims that there was an alien craft with dead aliens at Roswell, but without the hard evidence, they are just hearsay. If they did exist and the government hid them, then we are not going to really know for sure unless the government decides to reveal what they have kept hidden all these years. If the aliens are as technologically advanced as the many sightings would lead us to believe, then they are going to continue to elude us with respect to leaving behind any traces of them, and it is probably going to take us centuries to catch up with them given our very young technologies.
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Post by hayden on Dec 17, 2007 22:37:23 GMT -6
I am not sure I follow. Where is the alien connection to all of those abductions you cite? Well what I'm saying is a very small percent of this could be abductions.
What am I supposed to do by way of research exactly, assuming that I am inclined to spend any of my time researching the subject?Well maybe its not your job to research the skies, as it looks like your job is dealing in religious talk. just as you expect people to listen to what you say is real, then also you might have to expect to listen what these people have seen.
Also your 3000 missing a day figure adds up to over a million a year and ten million over ten years. That would mean billions world wide. That is not very believable.
Sorry bro its not that hard to believe, look at or the poor animals that go missing from there family's.
If I were to head out scouring the skies for UFOs every single night, I doubt that I would spot any. If I did see one, then I would at least have some firsthand visual evidence of their existence, as long as I could say for certain that it was not some kind of hallucination or ball lighting or some other natural phenomenon. Do you see the dilemma here?
Yes i see the dilemma , it seems that only a few people ever get to have the real experience at seeing them like when so called enlighten people are suppose to have other worldly experiences, but people never believe them in what they say until they experience it for themselves.
There are claims that there was an alien craft with dead aliens at Roswell, but without the hard evidence, they are just hearsay. If they did exist and the government hid them, then we are not going to really know for sure unless the government decides to reveal what they have kept hidden all these years.
This is exactly what they did, why do you think the Germans based there secret flying machines on saucer shape ideas, This secret is way past government authority or entrance, there are higher states of power that manipulate the governments.
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Post by hayden on Dec 17, 2007 22:40:43 GMT -6
OK enough on the subject this is suppose to be about the aryan invasion anyway. All i can say is the universe is full of life.
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Post by kingcobra on Dec 19, 2007 13:35:42 GMT -6
OK - back to the topic. The anti-Aryan-invasion extremists like to cite the case of 19th century Indologists having an agenda of promoting the superiority of Christianity over Hinduism. To whatever extent that was true, it has nothing to do with Western scholars today, especially those in the field of History of Religion. HR has a universal standard of doing a study of comparative religion without ever promoting one faith over another. So, it is not a valid point with respect to the validity of the Aryan migration evidence, the most compelling of which is those genetic markers, which would not be present if there never was an invasion by Europeans (the original Aryans from the Ukraine region) of India in ancient times.
It always boils down to this: The motivation and integrity of the authorities that are cited on the issue. On the one hand you have those in academia with standards of objectivity, and on the other hand you have religious factions with no regard for objectivity (only a motivation to promote their religious dogma in spite of the evidence that contradicts it).
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Post by hayden on Dec 19, 2007 21:23:45 GMT -6
Yes very true, i got this from an archaeologist book called "Underworld, flooded kingdoms of the last ice age".
Scholars like gregory possehl, with the(almost) unanimous backing of non-indian indologists and sanskritists, beleive that the vedic hymns were codified at around 1200BC. They admit that the actual compositions must be older than that but it is clear that they would be unlikely to accept a date-even for composition-that is earlier than about 1500BC, perhaps begrudgingly 1800BC in some rare cases.[11]
Why should this be so when the archaeological record makes it clear that the 2nd millennium BC in india,(as the river Sarasvati had dried up by then) if not a time of total decay and collapse as it sometimes has been painted, was certainly not a time that was magnificently fruitful intellectually and does not look like the sort of epoch that would have produced a sublime intellectual creation like the rig veda?
The answer is that the Vedic peoples are reffered to repeatedly in the Rig as 'Aryas' and that from this a great and sustained error of orthodox historical scholarship was spawned. Even though the adjective 'Aryan' in ancient Sanskrit actually means "Noble'' or ''Cultured'' 'folk' , and thus as easily a religious cult as an ethnic group-it was assumed by historians and archaeologists that they were a race and that they had invaded india around 1500BC. Known as the ''aryan invasion theory', this error was only brought to light and dropped from official curricula during the last quarter of the twentieth century. Because it has far reaching implications, and requires the wholesale rewriting of canonical academic texts and standard works of reference, it is the kind of error that historians are not normally eager to admit. Yet in this case, to thier credit, it is the orthodox scholars themselves who have exposed it.
It is not an error that has ever made the headlines. But since the early 1990s it has been increasingly widly discuused in academic journals and books and taken into account, more or less completly, in all new thinking and teaching on the subject. So there is no question at all of a cover up or even of significant denial by those whose specialisms have been most directly affected or whoase publications in scientific journals are now out of date.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2008 14:17:57 GMT -6
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Post by Nitaidas on Jan 31, 2008 10:11:51 GMT -6
I watched the first of these and at first it seemed as if this fellow was legitimate. He seemed to have the relationship between Sanskrit and Proto-Indoeuropean correct. Then he quickly went astray. Sanskrit was a spoken language at some point as anyone who has studied even a little of Panini can tell you. Vedic was a spoken language before Sanskrit, during the period of the Vedas, and became Sanskrit latter. Sanskrit was "frozen" in time by the grammar of Panini and later became the language of the learned while the spoken language went on to become Prakrit and Pali and eventually the proto-vernaculars. I was hoping to hear him actually pronounce some Sanskrit. One can tell a lot about a person's knowledge of the language by their pronunciation. If it sounds like Japanese, scratch the man or woman off the list of Sanskrit scholars. Om is not a cognate of the word human. Nor are the Upanisads written in sutras. In short, this guy is a phony. He may have a degree in physics and have designed one of the early computer chips, but that does not make him an authority on Sanskrit or Sanskrit literature. Anyway, he is dead now.
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Post by jijaji on Jan 31, 2008 13:50:16 GMT -6
<i>This from a post of mine from GD some time back:</i>
The Buddha felt that Sanskrit was not a living language because the people did not use it; they never used it because it was just way too mathematical, too grammatical and too phonetically sophisticated, for the common people to use. The common people used a language that was less grammatical, but more alive, more Dynamic really. A living language will never be perfect like Sanskrit, but being perfect makes it like Hebrew, Arabic, Greek and Latin, all Static. Sanskrit was never the language of the people, it was above everyone’s head and this made it inaccessible to the common man, making him dependent on the Vedic Brahmin. The Buddha to break that stronghold was against its use. Buddha never spoke in Sanskrit nor did Mahavir of the Jain school, it was one of the means to defy the Vedic Brahmin priesthood.
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Post by hredwood on Jan 31, 2008 14:35:00 GMT -6
I was wondering if anyone knows if Mohendajaro the indus valley writings are vedic or not, as these are still yet to be uncoded from the last i read of it.
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