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Post by Ekantin on Jun 25, 2009 21:51:47 GMT -6
As promised here is what Sri Ramadasa Babaji Maharaja had to say about the secret of the Mahamantra: The beads of the mala are the Gopis and the string between them is the glistening Blue One. With each and every gopi a Krsna does the Rasa dance without ceasing. In the middle is central, "Sumeru" bead with is Kisora and Kisori joined intimately together. The bag for the string of beads is the place of the Rasa Dance. For this reason the Mahamantra is to be recited in a very private way. But it is not to be sung as kirtana. Mahaprabhu gave the rule that it should be chanted while keeping count. Thanks very much for this, Nitai. For a long time I had been asking various people what the meaning of the 'Sumeru' bead stood for in the japamala. Not one gave me a satisfactory answer. It is also nice that a broader meaning of the mala and beadbag is given in terms of visualising this practice in a devotional way. So thanks for that, much appreciated.
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Post by Nitaidas on Jun 27, 2009 13:18:20 GMT -6
Another song by Prabhu Jagadbandhu Sundara:
Nityananda Ray calls out with his compassionate voice. How many Mandakini currents flow down his chest? (The flow never ends, never ends) His reddish eyes, spread from ear to ear, are always rolling around. (In rapture they flutter.) ``Say Hari," his cry of love, Covers the sky above. (Victory, Victory, Victory!) Overhwhelmed saying ``Hari," he staggers from here to there. (You drunkards of love!) Stooped over by feeling, He raises his arms and shouts ``Come, come!" (Says he: ``Take this sacred love!") He startles, by his loud shouts, beings both moving and still. (Earth has become so lucky.) With out having to practice, Misbehaved Bandhu wants just a single drop! (O capture me, capture me.)
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Post by Nitaidas on Jun 30, 2009 12:53:24 GMT -6
Some more Govinda Das today. Song 52, part of the Astakaliya Section. PDF coming soon:
sama.ya jaani saba sakhiga.na aa{}i|\\ aanande magana bhela duhu~m-mukha caa{}i||\\ duhu~m-jana-sebana sakhiga.na kela|\\ caudike caanda heri rahi gela||\\ niilagiri beRhi ki.ye kanakera maala|\\ gori-mukha sundara jhalake rasaala||\\ baanari raba dei kakhkha.ti naada|\\ gobindadaasa kaha "suni paramaada||
Girlfriends arrive, knowing the time.\\ They sink into bliss as they gaze\\ at those lovers' sweet smiles.\\ Those girlfriends then serve them,\\ that divine loving pair.\\ Seeing moonlight still everywhere,\\ the girlfriends pause awhile.\\ Is this a blue mountain intwined\\ by a garland of gold?\\ Cream-lady's lovely expression\\ makes a delicious impression.\\ Female monkeys make a loud sound.\\ Says Govinda Dasa, hearing it:\\ ``A calamity's been found."
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Post by Nitaidas on Jul 3, 2009 14:59:18 GMT -6
Seems quiet around here today. Guess I will post some more of Prabhu Jagadbandhu Sundara's meditations on Nitai:
Nityananda Raya calls out\\ in his most compassionate voice:\\ ``Who will take this love divine;\\ who will take this love?" he shouts,\\ at the top of his voice.\\ ``I will give it without price.\\ I will take you to Gora-treasure."\\ Saying ``Hari," raising his arms:\\ ``Come, whoever you may be!\\ Wherever you may live, come! \\ No more now for worry, brother.\\ Come sing the merits of Gaura.\\ For your good fortune, Visvambhara\\ has descended to Nadia.\\ O brother, please say `Haribol!\\ And make me soothed again.\\ Saying `Hari," you may buy it without price and take it from me."\\ Nitai shouts again and again\\ And all the darkness departs.\\ Prabhu Bandhu has this to say:\\ ``Keep me, Prabhu, since I'm lowly,\\ close by your feet so pink.
[more later. PDF coming soon.]
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Post by Nitaidas on Jul 12, 2009 16:33:22 GMT -6
Here is a taste of the text called Mahamantra by Sundarananda Das that I am working on. It was published in 1947 when he was still in the GM. He still apparently believed that Bhaktisiddanta was genuine and was genuinely a disciple of Sri Gaurakisora Dasa Babaji. That changed in a few short years (by 1955?). Anyway, what he has to say about the Mahamantra is interesting, thought-provoking, and based on an intimate knowledge of all the important texts. You can download it here.I will update this periodically as I complete more.
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Post by Nityānanda dāsa on Jul 13, 2019 11:05:29 GMT -6
Nitaidas: But lately the mainstream tradition has been silent and somewhat lethargic.
Sananda: there was a reaching out in the past. But presently, what we have presently is a big empty space where the tradition could be performing very dynamically. Instead what is there is much less impacting, and honestly, should not be there anymore. But its the only thing still thriving, like weeds in an empty garden. Clearly writers such as Satyaraj das, Radhanath Swami, etc should be diectly challenged.I think it seems that there's something going on in IGM because simply they have the critical mass. Besides, we are all thinly spread around the globe. I'm the only one here in Australia, yeah, there's another one in another state here but I don't know her. To get together physically is hard. You there in the US can do something more than me. Thus my idea of the e-zine.
Everyone, please contribute materials if you can. There's nothing else for you all to do except contribute materials. I'll shoulder everything financially and technically. Radhe Radhe! Any chance Malati is still active here?? If so any interest in trying this e-zine idea? Thanks!
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Post by Nitaidas on Jul 23, 2019 11:25:38 GMT -6
Nitaidas: But lately the mainstream tradition has been silent and somewhat lethargic.
Sananda: there was a reaching out in the past. But presently, what we have presently is a big empty space where the tradition could be performing very dynamically. Instead what is there is much less impacting, and honestly, should not be there anymore. But its the only thing still thriving, like weeds in an empty garden. Clearly writers such as Satyaraj das, Radhanath Swami, etc should be diectly challenged.I think it seems that there's something going on in IGM because simply they have the critical mass. Besides, we are all thinly spread around the globe. I'm the only one here in Australia, yeah, there's another one in another state here but I don't know her. To get together physically is hard. You there in the US can do something more than me. Thus my idea of the e-zine.
Everyone, please contribute materials if you can. There's nothing else for you all to do except contribute materials. I'll shoulder everything financially and technically. Radhe Radhe! Any chance Malati is still active here?? If so any interest in trying this e-zine idea? Thanks! Malati dasi is currently boycotting this site because she is or was angry with me. I don't recall the exact cause of our disagreement, but she wanted me to agree with what I felt was a mean-spirited comment she made about an ISKCON devotee who was receiving basic living income in Australia and not doing anything but kirtan. Why should anyone care about that? I am in favor of basic living income programs and feel that how people use that benefit is up to them. I just felt that criticism had resonances of envy and a bit of "look how much better I am"- egotism in it. Anyway, she is always welcome back, but like so many of us who have come out of IGM, she struggles with IGM programming. It takes time to root out those hyper-critical, self-aggrandizing attitudes implanted in us through IGM social engineering (or brain-washing, if you will). I wish her well and hope that Radhika smiles on her.
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Post by meeno8 on Dec 5, 2019 20:52:39 GMT -6
Hmmm.... the power of the mahaa-mantra should be sufficent to accomplish the un-brainwashing on its own. Or so one would expect!
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Post by malati on Jun 24, 2020 5:55:27 GMT -6
Radhe Radhe! Any chance Malati is still active here?? If so any interest in trying this e-zine idea? Thanks! Malati dasi is currently boycotting this site because she is or was angry with me. I don't recall the exact cause of our disagreement, but she wanted me to agree with what I felt was a mean-spirited comment she made about an ISKCON devotee who was receiving basic living income in Australia and not doing anything but kirtan. Why should anyone care about that? I am in favor of basic living income programs and feel that how people use that benefit is up to them. I just felt that criticism had resonances of envy and a bit of "look how much better I am"- egotism in it. Anyway, she is always welcome back, but like so many of us who have come out of IGM, she struggles with IGM programming. It takes time to root out those hyper-critical, self-aggrandizing attitudes implanted in us through IGM social engineering (or brain-washing, if you will). I wish her well and hope that Radhika smiles on her. Nitai das I can't help it but to correct you. That's not the reason why I stopped actively participating here. Nothing to do with what you said about what I thought about a devotee family. Anyway, I have NO issues about people receiving support if they are in need of financial support from the govt. I also had episodes in my life when I was also on the dole. But let's face it, there are some people who think they are doing kirtan because they are not working. I think if a devotee has the time to play karmi computer games and watch tv every day and chit chatting with your karmi neighbours, then he/she definitely has the time to earn a living to support the family in some ways. As you can tell I don't like big govt. and I believe, first and foremost that we have responsibility to ourselves to better ourselves whether that is materially or spiritually. In some ways, the IGM or ISKCON devotees are more fired up than we are. They are on you tube, talking about their spiritual practices and philosophy. I saw on YouTube 2 ISKCON devotees talking about their beliefs in relation to the pandemic. The video was titled "During the pandemic: Where is Krishna?". You may not agree with what they say but they are doing something to inform others about Krishna.
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Post by Nitaidas on Jun 24, 2020 10:30:56 GMT -6
gee being introduced to the blazing sapphire bunch , i do also understand a producers change of opinion . please find the enclosed , and i dare not say who responds : To see all around imagine I` ve tried [ unretouched ] . . . now . He could never handle a fork . Know words experience or existential meatless monday to describe refuses removes live - stock yard worldly girl . All of them Fly Up High In Circles and before i close you all never reminded myself of a. c. bhaktivedant williammorgam Welcome William Morgan. Please introduce yourself to the group. We would like to know more about you.
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Post by meeno8 on Jun 24, 2020 12:14:27 GMT -6
Greetings William
Weren't you in our weekly meetings of astrologers in Los Angeles in 1979?
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Post by meeno8 on Jun 24, 2020 12:52:51 GMT -6
Back then you went by Matsya Das, correct?
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Post by meeno8 on Jun 24, 2020 18:16:32 GMT -6
I rememeber now. Matsya Das's English first name was Michael, so would not be you.
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Post by Nitaidas on Jun 24, 2020 21:27:10 GMT -6
Malati dasi is currently boycotting this site because she is or was angry with me. I don't recall the exact cause of our disagreement, but she wanted me to agree with what I felt was a mean-spirited comment she made about an ISKCON devotee who was receiving basic living income in Australia and not doing anything but kirtan. Why should anyone care about that? I am in favor of basic living income programs and feel that how people use that benefit is up to them. I just felt that criticism had resonances of envy and a bit of "look how much better I am"- egotism in it. Anyway, she is always welcome back, but like so many of us who have come out of IGM, she struggles with IGM programming. It takes time to root out those hyper-critical, self-aggrandizing attitudes implanted in us through IGM social engineering (or brain-washing, if you will). I wish her well and hope that Radhika smiles on her. Nitai das I can't help it but to correct you. That's not the reason why I stopped actively participating here. Nothing to do with what you said about what I thought about a devotee family. Anyway, I have NO issues about people receiving support if they are in need of financial support from the govt. I also had episodes in my life when I was also on the dole. But let's face it, there are some people who think they are doing kirtan because they are not working. I think if a devotee has the time to play karmi computer games and watch tv every day and chit chatting with your karmi neighbours, then he/she definitely has the time to earn a living to support the family in some ways. As you can tell I don't like big govt. and I believe, first and foremost that we have responsibility to ourselves to better ourselves whether that is materially or spiritually. In some ways, the IGM or ISKCON devotees are more fired up than we are. They are on you tube, talking about their spiritual practices and philosophy. I saw on YouTube 2 ISKCON devotees talking about their beliefs in relation to the pandemic. The video was titled "During the pandemic: Where is Krishna?". You may not agree with what they say but they are doing something to inform others about Krishna. Hi Malati, Good to hear from you again. It has been a while. We've got a whole new set of active members and a few old-timers. Sorry if I misrepresented your departure. We see things differently often and disagree on many issues concerning CV. Yet, your very language concerning those who receive money from the government kind of a put down: "on the dole?" That sounds like criminality. Where is your compassion towards those who are less fortunate than you? Not everyone has the ability or the luck to be able to raise themselves up. I think conservatives are basically self-centered, selfish people. They are fine with letting others suffer or die without proper medical care or food assistance. The idea that we can all better ourselves without help from others is a delusion that is wide spread in the USA and apparently around the world. IGM is a community of imposters. They are not Vaisnavas pretending that they are. They are motivated by other desires than learning to love Krsna. Whatever information they pass on about Krsna is generally wrong. Without first entering the tradition through initiation, or studying and practicing the tradition carefully under a genuine guru's guidance they go out and preach and present themselves as experts. IGM is nothing but a collection of personality cults. There was the Bhaktisiddhanta cult, the Bhaktivinode cult, the Bhaktvedanta cult. The only bhakti those guys had was in their names. The books they wrote are full of mistakes and Vaisnava aparadha. They are actually a community of asuras pretending to be daivik. If you want to waste your time reading their books and watching their videos that is up to you. I have better things to spend my few remaining days on.
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Post by meeno8 on Jun 25, 2020 9:11:58 GMT -6
I don't think anyone here can make sense of your cryptic posts, pheasant. If they can, please enlighten the rest of us.
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