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Post by Nitaidas on Apr 10, 2008 11:41:52 GMT -6
Here is where I will try to sketch an idea for a book, with potentially popular appeal, presenting the Krsna narrative allegorically as a guide for living a full, peaceful, satisfying and enriching life. Just as the Jewish tradition has established a process of hermeneutics that separates out four levels of meaning from the Torah: literal, legal, allegorical, and mystical, I think the Krsna narrative in its various sources (Hari-vamsa, Visnu Purana, Bhagavata Purana, Brahma-vaivarta Purana, Garga-samhita, Gita-govinda, etc.) can be analyzed in at least four different ways. This book will focus on the allegorical level of intentional meaning, concentrating on ways of transforming the way we look at the world allowing us to reach a place of balance and stability in the midst of the flux of material existence.
Such an approach naturally has to be very general and has to focus on meditations on words like krsna and caitanya and bhakti. What fun it can be to think about the meanings of the names of the members of the Panca-tattva, say, both individually and as a group, seeing them as manifestations of various aspects of life and personality. One can perhaps discern a certain development in consciousness as one moves from Krsna-caitanya to Srivasa, each stage contributing to the development of a later stage.
Anyway I plan to think about these things along such general lines and present the tradition is a less sectarian and historical way.
Next up some kind of an outline.
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Post by JD33 on Feb 5, 2010 22:31:16 GMT -6
Hi Sir, I have been waiting for the outline for many many months! What have you got now?
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Post by Nitaidas on Feb 6, 2010 13:42:54 GMT -6
Hi Sir, I have been waiting for the outline for many many months! What have you got now? Okay,baba, here it is: Chapter One: Krsna Mind? What is Krsna Mind? Section: The Defining traits of Krsna Mind Section: How does it differ from Yahweh Mind Section: How is it different from Jesus Mind Section: How is it different from Allah Mind Section: What benefits does it offer a person in the modern world? Chapter Two: How does one cultivate Krsna Mind? Section: Changing one's lifestyle (Vegetarianism, Habits of cleanliness, Ethical practices) Section: Daily practices (the twenty minute program, the forty minute program, the hour program and beyond) Section: Stages in the gradual unfolding of Krsna Mind Section: Successful achievement, transformed vision of the nature of reality, inhabiting the Krsna Mind Chapter Three: Guided Meditations Section: Visiting the Land of Nine Islands Section: Visiting the Forest of the Sacred Basil Section: Tasting Rasa through drama and literature Chapter Four: Direct Vision Section: Not to be taken lightly Section: Examples from the past Section: Its rarity, joys and dangers Section: Death and beyond Appendix: Supporting texts from the tradition Glossary Recommended Readings
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Post by JD33 on Feb 6, 2010 15:45:52 GMT -6
Very good - lets start it now - what do you think? I think the time is certainly more ready than before - now that Kirtan and Yoga and Aryaved has become so pravailant -
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Post by gerard on Feb 6, 2010 18:23:41 GMT -6
Hi Sir, I have been waiting for the outline for many many months! What have you got now? Chapter Three: Guided Meditations Section: Visiting the Land of Nine Islands Section: Visiting the Forest of the Sacred Basil Section: Tasting Rasa through drama and literature Maybe in addition to your chanting the SB you (or perhaps somebody else with video editing possibilities) could do those guided visualization exercises on Google Video (YouTube has a ten-minute limit). That would need a simplified version of lila's, with pauses and some music in the background perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2010 20:16:47 GMT -6
Few addtion probably for future generation of World wide Gauidyas in between chapter Three and Chapter Four
Chapter Four ( New ) : Future Direction
Section: Implementation of meditation exercise with contemorary tools such as 2nd Life Section: Build Navadwip and Brindavan Yogapitha in 2nd Life Section: Create Devotee Meditation Society on 2nd life, create atmoshphere Section: Create own's Swarupa and respective Sri Guru Swarupa ( with securtit enablement ) on 2nd Life Section: Meditate, interact , do sadhusanga , bhagavat path , Seminar , Spiritual Consulation on 2nd Life Section: Practice , Practice , Practice to make 2nd life as 0th Life thus becoming real and eventually ready for Darshan ( Direct Vision as discussed in next Chapter by Sri Nitai das Ji )
Jay Nitai
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Post by Nitaidas on Feb 7, 2010 16:30:00 GMT -6
Few addtion probably for future generation of World wide Gauidyas in between chapter Three and Chapter Four Chapter Four ( New ) : Future Direction Section: Implementation of meditation exercise with contemorary tools such as 2nd Life Section: Build Navadwip and Brindavan Yogapitha in 2nd Life Section: Create Devotee Meditation Society on 2nd life, create atmoshphere Section: Create own's Swarupa and respective Sri Guru Swarupa ( with securtit enablement ) on 2nd Life Section: Meditate, interact , do sadhusanga , bhagavat path , Seminar , Spiritual Consulation on 2nd Life Section: Practice , Practice , Practice to make 2nd life as 0th Life thus becoming real and eventually ready for Darshan ( Direct Vision as discussed in next Chapter by Sri Nitai das Ji ) Jay Nitai Interesting addition to the book. What do you mean by 2 life, here? Are thinking about manasika seva or that form of computer role-playing game in which one designs one's own "avatara" and participates in lila as one would in manasika seva only graphically in cyberspace? If you mean the second, it is a fascinating idea. Have you explored the capabilities of Second Life for doing this?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2010 19:58:53 GMT -6
For my professional work for one of the world leading technology provider I do need to come contact with some of the creator of world's next gen tech. 2nd life would explore another virtual world to lead another life on web for the generation to come. The way I see it, opportunity is unlimited.
Jay Nitai
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Post by Nitaidas on Feb 8, 2010 23:53:45 GMT -6
For my professional work for one of the world leading technology provider I do need to come contact with some of the creator of world's next gen tech. 2nd life would explore another virtual world to lead another life on web for the generation to come. The way I see it, opportunity is unlimited. Jay Nitai I find this fascinating, Subrataji. It could become a good tool for training ourselves to assume our siddha-svarupas. I think we ought to explore it and try to create a virtual Vraja and Navadvipa in which we can practice our seva. We can construct those worlds according to the descriptions of Karnapura, Krsnadasa Kaviraja, and Visvanatha Cakravartin. It could be quite a major break-through for Caitanya Vaisnavism. I know of no other tradition that has such a developed visualization system as we do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 13:07:25 GMT -6
Just some concerns for your consideration
If we build our svarups on the computer or online isn't there a chance of their being compromised by hackers? Damage to one's svarup by a third party while in meditation might be a new kind of violence nobody has ever conceived of.
What about viruses? Isn't there a danger it will become a bit like an RPG, say, Dungeons and Dragons Krishna style?
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Post by JD33 on Feb 9, 2010 13:51:06 GMT -6
funny Bisakha - I think..... The Tibetan Buddhists have done this years ago. They have built on the computer the visualizations of their meditation practices...... maybe one can get help from them.........
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 15:47:14 GMT -6
It has got very highly sofisticated security settings enablement. Role, Right and permission can be very well defined as per the adhikara. And one can build his own asset like Kunja, Swarup , Path/Seminar and grant the association to particular Bhakta of trust. Like Swajatiya Sadhu Sanga.
Jay Nitai
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Post by Nitaidas on Feb 9, 2010 21:50:50 GMT -6
Those are some good concerns, Visakha. I doubt whether I would use my real siddha-svarupa in such a system, but one very similar. Even with the greatest security, systems can be cracked.
I imagine it would be rather like a role-playing game. That is kind of what manasika seva is like. We are learning to play a particular role. To learn that role we need to watch or be aware of a model. The model would demonstrate how to please R and K the best and then it would be our turn do it. The difference would be that other people would be animating the other manjari and sakha roles. In manasika seva we do all the animating ourselves. We imagine what Radha says and what Krsna says, based on a script from the Goswami texts and perhaps some adlibing. Still, it is all us. Who would animate the Krsna role and the Radha role? Would that be done by the computer (the scripts could conceivably be programmed in) or by the others who are part of the group. Maybe on different occasions different people would take on those roles.
A problem might be knowing who is in a particular role. Then would might be tempted to think of that person rather than the role he or she is playing. It should probably be done in complete anonymity. People sign on and some are assigned the roles of R and K. The others assume their siddha roles. No one wins or loses and no one knows who is who.
Anyway, I am just trying to wrap my head around how this might work.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2010 9:09:38 GMT -6
This is all pretty neat, and Yugal Kishore from Radhakund already has ashtakalin-lila software, although it had no interactive aspect, just maps to show you where Radha and Krishna are at a given time of day, and quotes specific to that particular lila.
Well, I don't know if in Manasik seva we do all the animating ourselves, I hope that the movement other "characters" particularly Radha and Krishna are at least occasionally inspired by the object of our meditations. On the other hand, if we depend on other people to animate characters in our lila-meditation it seems to me we will quickly become attached to such persons and dependent on them for perceived success in meditation. It sounds like there might be quite a scope for abuse in this system. But it is as Subrataji says, for only "svajatiya snigdha" vaishnav sanga and used only occasionally with extreme responsibility and maturity then it could be a very useful tool.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2010 9:25:31 GMT -6
Nitai-ji, anonymity means no accountability. If this is done at all, I think Radha-Krishna should be static like sri vigrahas in a temple. Otherwise, the person who controls Them will effectively be taking the role of the Lord. If anonymous people could enter the game and control Sri Krishna while another person is meditating on doing seva in the kunja... just imagine the havoc someone could create as the meditator's mind is in a sumbissive/receptive mode and thus vulnerable to attack. I am sure there are people out there who would use such an opportunity l to harm others for sport or for other reasons...
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